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The vast majority of law enforcement officers are doing a really tough job, and most of them are doing it well and are trying to do the right thing. But a combination of bad training, in some cases, a combination in some cases of departments that really are not trying to root out biases, or tolerate sloppy police work; a combination in some cases of folks just not knowing any better, and in a lot of cases, subconscious fear of folks who look different — all of this contributes to a national problem that’s going to require a national solution.
This country is at its best when everybody is being treated fairly. We have a history and a legacy of people not being treated fairly in all kinds of walks of life,” he said during the 30-minute special, titled “It is particularly important for people to feel like they’re being treated fairly by law enforcement and police, because the consequences when they’re not treated fairly can be deadly
originally posted by: Kreatorkind
The vast majority of law enforcement officers are doing a really tough job, and most of them are doing it well and are trying to do the right thing. But a combination of bad training, in some cases, a combination in some cases of departments that really are not trying to root out biases, or tolerate sloppy police work; a combination in some cases of folks just not knowing any better, and in a lot of cases, subconscious fear of folks who look different — all of this contributes to a national problem that’s going to require a national solution.
This country is at its best when everybody is being treated fairly. We have a history and a legacy of people not being treated fairly in all kinds of walks of life,” he said during the 30-minute special, titled “It is particularly important for people to feel like they’re being treated fairly by law enforcement and police, because the consequences when they’re not treated fairly can be deadly
From his quote from your link, he obviously didn't mean that this is solely a racial issue. So, this is really all hyperbole.
originally posted by: pikestaff
I think Mark Twain said "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics," other people say "87% of statistics are made up on the spot" I am getting to the point where I don't believe anyones 'statistics' .
originally posted by: ItalianDressing
originally posted by: pikestaff
I think Mark Twain said "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics," other people say "87% of statistics are made up on the spot" I am getting to the point where I don't believe anyones 'statistics' .
I have a ham radio which also picks up police frequencies in my area. I listen to it all the time and given the suspect description of the caller, they are overwhelmingly non white. And this is not just cops just stopping them, it is someone CALLING the police on the other person. So given statistics versus real life radio traffic, it is easy to see who commits the vast amount of crime. Hard to question statistics when there is live proof backing them up.
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originally posted by: Kreatorkind
a reply to: Shamrock6
Well... "in a lot of cases" is a pretty subjective term. I'm sure it does happen occasionally. I think his larger point was that people just want to feel like they're not being unfairly targeted by police based on their race. Because when there is a lot of people feeling like they're unfairly targeted (not just being shot, pretty much any police contact that feels like harassment), it tends to lead to explosive situations like what is happening in Ferguson.
originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
originally posted by: ItalianDressing
originally posted by: pikestaff
I think Mark Twain said "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics," other people say "87% of statistics are made up on the spot" I am getting to the point where I don't believe anyones 'statistics' .
I have a ham radio which also picks up police frequencies in my area. I listen to it all the time and given the suspect description of the caller, they are overwhelmingly non white. And this is not just cops just stopping them, it is someone CALLING the police on the other person. So given statistics versus real life radio traffic, it is easy to see who commits the vast amount of crime. Hard to question statistics when there is live proof backing them up.
ID
Your statement is loaded with bias. You probably don't see it. That's a big part of the problem.
originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
originally posted by: ItalianDressing
originally posted by: pikestaff
I think Mark Twain said "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics," other people say "87% of statistics are made up on the spot" I am getting to the point where I don't believe anyones 'statistics' .
I have a ham radio which also picks up police frequencies in my area. I listen to it all the time and given the suspect description of the caller, they are overwhelmingly non white. And this is not just cops just stopping them, it is someone CALLING the police on the other person. So given statistics versus real life radio traffic, it is easy to see who commits the vast amount of crime. Hard to question statistics when there is live proof backing them up.
ID
Your statement is loaded with bias. You probably don't see it. That's a big part of the problem.
originally posted by: pikestaff
I think Mark Twain said "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics," other people say "87% of statistics are made up on the spot" I am getting to the point where I don't believe anyones 'statistics' .
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: pikestaff
I think Mark Twain said "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics," other people say "87% of statistics are made up on the spot" I am getting to the point where I don't believe anyones 'statistics' .
Here's the thing about statistics - the numbers don't lie. They can't. The lie comes from how they are interpreted or presented. A simple ratio can mean a lot of things depending on what information you include with it or decide not to tell people when you report it.
If you know how to select a sample, where to select a sample, what questions to ask and how to write them, you can more or less craft the ratio you want.