Petition seeking treason charges for Iran letter hits 100,000 signatures

originally posted by: MiddleClassWhiteBoy
a reply to: Xtrozero

Bottom line is the republicans aren't the ones clamoring to take away my guns and gun rights! The 2nd amendment is probably the single biggest and most important reason why I even vote for the GOP, NOTHING else matters because with out my ability to protect and arm myself and my family the government can and will run roughshod over any and all liberties that follow! Moronic voters who vote in democrats fail to grasp such a simple concept!!!!!
As long as any democrat POS stands to further encroach on the 2nd amendment be them a president, senator whoever, they are a traitor! Dianne Feinstein should be charged with treason not Rand Paul or Cruz etc.

So as long as the 2nd amendment remains intact you will forgive all other rights transgressions made against you? Case in point, the Patriot Act (a HUGE trampling of our rights) was signed into law under a Republican, but I guess because it didn't intrude on your right to own a firearm then it is an acceptable right to cede to the government.

OR you could admit that BOTH parties try to take your rights away and stop voting for either party.

originally posted by: damwel

The reason Obama was never impeached is because you have to commit a crime to be impeached. Executive actions are not a crime or George W Bush would be serving life. Some of you people really need to get a clue as to how this government actually works and not just regurgitating what Fox News feeds you.

If an Executive action was considered to be un-Constitutional, then wouldn't that be considered illegal? Just wondering.

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: damwel

The reason Obama was never impeached is because you have to commit a crime to be impeached. Executive actions are not a crime or George W Bush would be serving life. Some of you people really need to get a clue as to how this government actually works and not just regurgitating what Fox News feeds you.

If an Executive action was considered to be un-Constitutional, then wouldn't that be considered illegal? Just wondering.

Only if you consider Congress passing an unconstitutional law also illegal.

I'm proud to sign the petition and I'm looking forward to seeing justice done.

It was only a matter of time before those idiots went too far.

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a reply to: wantsome

Could you quote the source of that definition please, because I haven't seen hear or read that before.

September 25, 2013|8:40 am

Renowned evangelist Billy Graham is asking Iran's president Hassan Rouhani for the release of Pastor Saeed Abedini from prison, pointing out that such an action might be perceived by U.S. leaders as a significant step in reducing tensions.

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Sen. Ted Kennedy allegedly tried to get the Soviets to help Dems win the 1984 election…Ted Kennedy warned Moscow not to trust what Reagan said and that a deal with Reagan wasn't reliable.

Kennedy allegedly tried to get the Soviets to help him unseat President Jimmy Carter.


Here's the story behind the Logan Act:

The 1799 act was named after Dr. George Logan. A prominent Republican and Quaker from Pennsylvania, Logan did not draft or introduce the legislation that bears his name, but was involved in the political climate that precipitated it.

In the late 1790s, a French trade embargo and jailing of U.S. seamen created animosity and unstable conditions between the United States and France. Logan sailed to France in the hope of presenting options to its government to improve relations with the United States and quell the growing anti-French sentiment in the United States. France responded by lifting the embargo and releasing the captives. Logan's return to the United States was marked by Republican praise and Federalist scorn. To prevent U.S. citizens from interfering with negotiations between the United States and foreign governments in the future, the Adams administration quickly introduced the bill that would become the Logan Act.....

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

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Historically, the act has been used more as a threat to those engaged in various political activities than as a weapon for prosecution. In fact, Logan Act violations have been discussed in almost every administration without any serious attempt at enforcement, and to date there have been no convictions and only one recorded indictment.
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Even back then the Dems had to get their panties in a wad and forever ban anyone from attempting to positively intervene, even though the outcome was very favorable for the USA. This is just another attempt to divide, spurned by Obama himself, and most likely to deflect attention away from Hillary and his own secret Iran deal.

So yes, add Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Billy Graham and any other US citizen who has ever written a letter to Russia, Iran, Japan, Viet Nam etc. in order to plea for peace or release of prisoners or anything else they might be requesting. And you can add your precious Rand Paul to the list of treasonous letter signers. See his interview here with Matt Lauer reason.com...


Oh, and this:

First lady Michelle Obama did not start the Bring back Our Girls initiative, but she became the face of the crusade after she tweeted a photo of herself holding up a sign that said #bringbackourgirls and used her husband's weekly address to make case for military intervention by the Nigerian army.
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TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

originally posted by: avgguy
They'll never get charged because there is no clear violation of the Logan act on the books to reference. There was one case in the 1800's where 80 representatives sent letters to England about the mistreatment of prisoners, but the conviction fell apart before it even went to trial. there are other clear violations after that, but the govt never moved to prosecute because it's almost impossible to win the case.

It may be just a little bit easier to prove now that they've established a 6 1/2 yr. track record or Modus Operandi, of attempting to undermine the POTUS at every opportunity.

Hell, they're on record stating it was their number 1 goal.

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

a reply to: StoutBroux

I'm curious how you can honestly blame this on Obama when this is clearly a petition created by the people and signed by the people. Obama is only one person. Even if he was the creator or one of his minions was, then he'd still need to collect all the signatures (210,000 as of this morning).

originally posted by: BlueMule
I'm proud to sign the petition and I'm looking forward to seeing justice done.

It was only a matter of time before those idiots went too far.

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I wonder if you would have signed if your idiots went to far in the past. Oh, wait a second, they did! They didn't just send a letter...they actually delivered it in person. Wow! Whodathunk!

Get off your soapbox and educate yourself.

originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Added my own name to the list. Would be nice to see how many people this thing collects by April 8th. Even nicer if any serious action was taken.

Treason it is, though. They are undermining, even sabotaging, the diplomatic efforts of the lawfully elected standing president of the United States and his administration. I would really like something done about these GOP asshats in congress, because even though they have been threatening for years, they still can't build a halfway believable case for any of their charges, and their antics have gotten tiresome. Watching the GOP in congress is like being in a state home for elderly bi-polar Alzheimer's patients who haven't been taking their meds.

I am tempted do sign the position myself. Not because I am any supporter of the current puppet president. Far from it. But this parcel of rogues is acting against the best interests of this country. They are playing other games, one of them being the earnest effort by Israel and its supporters here to finesse the US into a disastrous war with Iran. Therein lies the real reason!

originally posted by: Flatfish

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Your vindictiveness is showing. Y'alls side is losing power and doing everything they can to keep it. It's plainly a losing battle. I say that I hope the DOJ goes through with it though.

It'll be fun to watch as Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Fienstein and all the others are brought down as well on the same charges.

This could be the change we do need after all.

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatfish

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Your vindictiveness is showing. Y'alls side is losing power and doing everything they can to keep it. It's plainly a losing battle. I say that I hope the DOJ goes through with it though.

It'll be fun to watch as Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Fienstein and all the others are brought down as well on the same charges.

This could be the change we do need after all.

Then I guess you'd better sign the petition, yes?

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a reply to: Daedal


No its really not treason. This is more propaganda stuff. There are some really, really dark forces on the left.

originally posted by: BlueMule

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatfish

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Your vindictiveness is showing. Y'alls side is losing power and doing everything they can to keep it. It's plainly a losing battle. I say that I hope the DOJ goes through with it though.

It'll be fun to watch as Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Fienstein and all the others are brought down as well on the same charges.

This could be the change we do need after all.

Then I guess you'd better sign the petition, yes?

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No need. I refuse to sign my name to a non-issue such as this. I already know nothing will be done. But, best of luck!

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: damwel

The reason Obama was never impeached is because you have to commit a crime to be impeached. Executive actions are not a crime or George W Bush would be serving life. Some of you people really need to get a clue as to how this government actually works and not just regurgitating what Fox News feeds you.

If an Executive action was considered to be un-Constitutional, then wouldn't that be considered illegal? Just wondering.

No the Supreme Court can find it unconstitutional and repeal it, but not a crime unless done fore personal monetary gain or such.

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatfish

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Your vindictiveness is showing. Y'alls side is losing power and doing everything they can to keep it. It's plainly a losing battle. I say that I hope the DOJ goes through with it though.

It'll be fun to watch as Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Fienstein and all the others are brought down as well on the same charges.

This could be the change we do need after all.

If you really think "my side" is losing, you have one skewed sense of perception.

Apparently, you think that winning an election with the lowest voter turnout since WWII is an indication that you side with some kind of majority? If so, you have another "think" coming.

Do you want to take it now, or would you rather wait till after the 2016 election when an actual majority of eligible voters cast ballots?

I'm almost 60 yrs. old and I can't remember a political party ever losing favor this fast or teetering on the edge of implosion like today's GOP.

The only thing the GOP is accomplishing with their new-found majority in Congress is to show their true colors, which are anything other than red, white & blue.

Don't let your head explode when the reality of the situation sinks in.

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: avgguy
They'll never get charged because there is no clear violation of the Logan act on the books to reference. There was one case in the 1800's where 80 representatives sent letters to England about the mistreatment of prisoners, but the conviction fell apart before it even went to trial. there are other clear violations after that, but the govt never moved to prosecute because it's almost impossible to win the case.

It may be just a little bit easier to prove now that they've established a 6 1/2 yr. track record or Modus Operandi, of attempting to undermine the POTUS at every opportunity.

Hell, they're on record stating it was their number 1 goal.

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Prosecuted for what? Sending a resolution of reminder? Hardly infringes on the Logan act.

Or do you mean prosecute them for interfering with the work of His most Royal Majesty? A president that wants to negotiate nuke stuff with a foreign government while he has threatened the peoples constitutional right to own small arms at home. A president that spoofs americans clinging to their bibles and guns while negotiating with folks that cling to the Koran and now want nuke status. Sounds like some guy out in the parking lot striping the gears on his manual transmission.

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: BlueMule

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatfish

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Your vindictiveness is showing. Y'alls side is losing power and doing everything they can to keep it. It's plainly a losing battle. I say that I hope the DOJ goes through with it though.

It'll be fun to watch as Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Fienstein and all the others are brought down as well on the same charges.

This could be the change we do need after all.

Then I guess you'd better sign the petition, yes?

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No need. I refuse to sign my name to a non-issue such as this. I already know nothing will be done. But, best of luck!

Some thing should be done tho. High jacking negotiations with an enemy state?!?!! Maybe not treason (death penalty) but definately a felony you should lose your congressional seat over.


Obama should have said as much before the letter was sent. Should have warned them it was illegal and he (Obama) would prosecute.

a reply to: Flatfish

Politically speaking and not even taking sides this will end up being a good move for the republicans. There as been to much taking the president whole on anything he does by the press and his loyalists. Its down right un-American and many are sick of this as the last election demonstrated. Even the dems didn't show up in large numbers out of apathy or embarrassment.

originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: BlueMule

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatfish

It's time to end the madness! I say prosecute them and do it now.

Your vindictiveness is showing. Y'alls side is losing power and doing everything they can to keep it. It's plainly a losing battle. I say that I hope the DOJ goes through with it though.

It'll be fun to watch as Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, Fienstein and all the others are brought down as well on the same charges.

This could be the change we do need after all.

Then I guess you'd better sign the petition, yes?

👣

No need. I refuse to sign my name to a non-issue such as this. I already know nothing will be done. But, best of luck!

Some thing should be done tho. High jacking negotiations with an enemy state?!?!! Maybe not treason (death penalty) but definately a felony you should lose your congressional seat over.

Calling this a "highjack" is very reactionary and partisan.