Petition seeking treason charges for Iran letter hits 100,000 signatures

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: MrAverage

originally posted by: Flatfish
a reply to: Daedal

...have an established record of attempting to undermine our President at every opportunity and now this.

Guess what? Congress has the constitutional authority to "undermine" the president if necessary... even remove him if need be.

Not like that, they don't!

They are supposed to utilize the legislative process to accomplish their goals, which for some reason seems to be the last thing in the world they are willing to do.

If you can't see what's wrong with what they did, I feel sorry for you.

They remind me of a spoiled kid who, when he finds out he not winning a game, flips the entire board and all the game pieces into the air ending the game for everyone.

Except for the fact that this game could end in nuclear war for us and our allies.

Did you feel the same when the democrats undermined Regan? When Ex Pres Carter undermined Bush? Why does everyone have such double standards?

Here's a video EVERYONE should watch to see the hypocrisy on BOTH sides. It's 7.5 minutes but skip to the three minute mark to watch the meat of the matter.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Indigo5

LoL...

Yeah I noticed once I perused the site myself that some people do not take it so seriously as I initially thought.


Don't like Star Wars, but a Death Star would be nice.

As for the right wings profound terror of a Nuclear Armed Iran...I have to ask...Nuclear weapons don't kill people? Right? People kill people!

And if more guns make the world a safer place...why not more nuclear weapons?

Just thinking out loud here..Pakistan, China, North Korea, Russia all have Nuclear Weapons?

Seriously though...This deal trades less suffering/lifting sanctions for the people of Iran for halting Iran's Nuclear program and historically unprecedented international oversight of the program with the threat of returning sanctions if they fail to be transparent in the least.

AND what the press doesn't talk about much...like in Cuba, with Fidel Castro on his deathbed...Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini is on about to leave this world leaving the door open for new leadership in Iran..

News Today
Speculation over successor after Iran's Khamenei reportedly hospitalized in serious condition
www.jpost.com...

No doubt the CIA has been following the Ayatollah's health via informants for months...

The time for a deal is now...where we can influence who is the next leader of Iran.

originally posted by: StoutBroux

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: MrAverage

originally posted by: Flatfish
a reply to: Daedal

...have an established record of attempting to undermine our President at every opportunity and now this.

Guess what? Congress has the constitutional authority to "undermine" the president if necessary... even remove him if need be.

Not like that, they don't!

They are supposed to utilize the legislative process to accomplish their goals, which for some reason seems to be the last thing in the world they are willing to do.

If you can't see what's wrong with what they did, I feel sorry for you.

They remind me of a spoiled kid who, when he finds out he not winning a game, flips the entire board and all the game pieces into the air ending the game for everyone.

Except for the fact that this game could end in nuclear war for us and our allies.

Did you feel the same when the democrats undermined Regan? When Ex Pres Carter undermined Bush? Why does everyone have such double standards?

Here's a video EVERYONE should watch to see the hypocrisy on BOTH sides. It's 7.5 minutes but skip to the three minute mark to watch the meat of the matter.

www.youtube.com...

Look, I don't think I can explain it any better than this;

Just because Lyndon Johnson got away with lying this nation into a war with Viet Nam, doesn't mean that it's ok for Bush to lie us into a war with Iraq.

In others words, "two wrongs do not make a right." To justify something just because someone else got away will lead to nothing short of complete and absolute lawlessness.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: Indigo5

You mean they DIDN'T build the Death Star after that?

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Yes...and true to their word the WH issued a response to the Build the Death Star petition

The Administration shares your desire for job creation and a strong national defense, but a Death Star isn't on the horizon. Here are a few reasons:
•The construction of the Death Star has been estimated to cost more than $850,000,000,000,000,000. We're working hard to reduce the deficit, not expand it.
•The Administration does not support blowing up planets.
•Why would we spend countless taxpayer dollars on a Death Star with a fundamental flaw that can be exploited by a one-man starship?

Rest of it here...
petitions.whitehouse.gov...

a reply to: Indigo5

It cannot be said that the White House does not have a sense of humor!

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: StoutBroux

originally posted by: Flatfish

originally posted by: MrAverage

originally posted by: Flatfish
a reply to: Daedal

...have an established record of attempting to undermine our President at every opportunity and now this.

Guess what? Congress has the constitutional authority to "undermine" the president if necessary... even remove him if need be.

Not like that, they don't!

They are supposed to utilize the legislative process to accomplish their goals, which for some reason seems to be the last thing in the world they are willing to do.

If you can't see what's wrong with what they did, I feel sorry for you.

They remind me of a spoiled kid who, when he finds out he not winning a game, flips the entire board and all the game pieces into the air ending the game for everyone.

Except for the fact that this game could end in nuclear war for us and our allies.

Did you feel the same when the democrats undermined Regan? When Ex Pres Carter undermined Bush? Why does everyone have such double standards?

Here's a video EVERYONE should watch to see the hypocrisy on BOTH sides. It's 7.5 minutes but skip to the three minute mark to watch the meat of the matter.

www.youtube.com...

In others words, "two wrongs do not make a right." To justify something just because someone else got away will lead to nothing short of complete and absolute lawlessness.

Time for some Crosby Stills and Nash...


There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I've got to beware

Think it's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong

Thought I'd add a little tunes courtesy of Bob Dylan...

Masters Of War

a reply to: Indigo5

I thought that was Buffalo Springfield?

originally posted by: CrawlingChaos
a reply to: ~Lucidity

Maybe this wouldn't be so outrageous is they had presented some sort of viable alternate and weren't in bed sucking the war-drum beating defense industry and neocons

You do fully realize the "left" / this administration has been waging war in the ME since Obama was president right ? Aren't we currently, funding training, and arming several insane militant groups right now against Assad ? Didn't we bomb the hell out of Libya, so that insane militants could take it over, insuring further war & aggression, under said administration ? Are we still drone bombing the # out of an arab country that looks at us crossed eyed ?

To scream one side is warmongering, while the other side actually engages in it ; Is disingenuous

No, I hadn't noticed. *Eyeroll

There's a difference between trying to get out of wars we were already embroiled in and start new ones with even more countries.

This was all predicted...about Iraq, Syria, and iran. Avoiding the final predictions is pretty critical, dontcha think?

a reply to: voyger2

I have a sneaking suspicion that Bibi and Kristol probably helped them write that letter.

Obama 'embarrassed' for GOP over Iran letter

Pretty much everyone is or should be embarrassed. Even those party before country people trying to change the dialog about this.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

A term people should be familiar with, including Obama -

Injury to separation of powers.

Congress has a right and authority to do their own fact finding missions. They repeatedly asked Obama for details and he is refusing.

A question I asked in several conversations on this still has not been answered.

Why is Obama refusing to share information with Congress about the deal / agreement / whatever you want to call it.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

In the video Obama says the Republican "Letter Writers" claim Iran is a mortal enemy.

He says this as if surprised and yet sanctions against Iran are all over the place.

Something is backwards somewhere.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Just what is it you are expecting him to share about negotiations that are still underway? Since when is that kind of information ever shared? While we're at it, let's just televise the six nations who are in talks. Great idea.

And yes, Congress has a right to fact find...but this was not that. Not by any logical stretch or mental gymnastics.

I have my own set of issues with government...all branches of it...but this incident? It's utterly transparent and childish. It makes our entire country look dim.

a reply to: Flatfish

I agree completely. When Pelosi visited Assad against a specific directive by the whitehouse, where was the outrage? My points are why the double standard and where was the outrage then. If you watch the video, you'll see the hypocrisy runs on both sides.

It's either ok and lawful to undermine the POTUS' negotiations in any way shape or form or it isn't. It's not a 'sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't' or 'depends on who you are or what your party affiliation is' issue.

Tom Cotton picked apart by Army general over ‘mutinous’ Iran letter

The open letter to the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran signed by 47 senators and instigated by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) was a stunning breach of protocol. One so outrageous that my former colleagues at the New York Daily News dubbed the signers “traitors.” While it is indeed a slap in the face of President Obama and an affront to the presidency, I’m not sure I would go that far, especially since Cotton is an Army veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. So, I turned to retired Major Gen. Paul D. Eaton for perspective. He wouldn’t say Cotton and Co. were “traitors,” either. He had a better word.

“I would use the word mutinous,” said Eaton, whose long career includes training Iraqi forces from 2003 to 2004. He is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.org. “I do not believe these senators were trying to sell out America. I do believe they defied the chain of command in what could be construed as an illegal act.” Eaton certainly had stern words for Cotton.

“What Senator Cotton did is a gross breach of discipline, and especially as a veteran of the Army, he should know better,” Eaton told me. “I have no issue with Senator Cotton, or others, voicing their opinion in opposition to any deal to halt Iran’s nuclear progress. Speaking out on these issues is clearly part of his job. But to directly engage a foreign entity, in this way, undermining the strategy and work of our diplomats and our Commander in Chief, strains the very discipline and structure that our foreign relations depend on, to succeed.” The consequences of Cotton’s missive were plainly apparent to Eaton. “The breach of discipline is extremely dangerous, because undermining our diplomatic efforts, at this moment, brings us another step closer to a very costly and perilous war with Iran,” he said.

“I think Senator Cotton recognizes this, and he simply does not care,” Eaton went on to say. “That’s what disappoints me the most.” And that’s what’s so scary about this whole episode. The freshman senator from Arkansas and 46 of his Republican colleagues sought to bigfoot Obama on a deal not yet done whose details are not yet known.

Mutinous. Nice.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Indigo5

I thought that was Buffalo Springfield?

Hey now...Music Trivia buff! Yah...I had to look it up. Buffalo Springfield first recorded it, but Crosby Stills and Nash carried it after Buffalo Springfield broke up after 2 years...Stephen Stills was in both groups.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't disagree with a single point you make. The entire system is backwards, and at this point it's ingrained so much that I don't think it will ever truly be fixed or is even fixable. What do we do with a building that is no longer useful and poses a danger to those around it?