Juncker: NATO is not enough, EU needs an army

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
Dare we leave the E.U if they do form an Army? Will they see it as a sign of aggression, daring to leave the gravy train and compete with them?

We'll be EEA members long before that if you ask me, just trade without the benefits, costs, and control of the EU.
It'll be trade war if anything....fighting at the beaches, nope don't see it.

Maybe, maybe not. How long has the French and Spanish longed to invade the U.K? And the Germans, we beat them twice, so they could see it as an opportune moment to strike. The best thing of all though, they can use foreign soldiers to do their will.

An E.U army, navy or Air Force is wrong and will only be formed under a Federal Europe. Britain will never leave the E.U, the Bilderberg masters will never allow it and only a Bilderberger can be Prime Minister in the U.K.

who benefits ??? bankers and the military industrial complex maybe !

a reply to: Nikola014

You and i have a bit different background when its comes to Russia. We fought against them during WW2 we were not annexed or became a puppet country for them. To me its very important that opinion of the people are being heard, it is what i call freedom when we have a right to say freely what bothers us and make a difference . In EU.. institution do not hear or doesn´t care and all what matters to institution is institution itself .

a reply to: Peeple
Get your facts right fella, Iceland is in the European Economic Area, not the EU, massive difference, and Greenland has a special relationship to the EU being territory of Denmark.
...must try harder.

*Edit*
Hahaha, oh dear, wrong again...

originally posted by: Peeple
you are part of the economical free trade Europe, but not of the Union. Big difference.

...we are part of the union but a part which wasn't stupid enough to hand over our currency.

a reply to: grainofsand

I was using them to compare the British economy if you try to stand all for yourselfes and why it is important to get bigger if you want to survuve in a world of super powers. Just a metaphor, dude.

Also you maybe want to think about why you still have pounds instead of Euros. Haha and get your facts straight indeed.

a reply to: grainofsand

the key bit missing there is ( yet )

remember this abomination was foisted on us in the 70's
as purely a traiding treaty look where it is now the leaders of this
have plenty of patence it will happen these psycotic muppets have taken
generations to get this far they can wait a few more.

Hi Peeple, where abouts are you from if I may ask.

It would help me get some perspective on your opinions.

Cheers.

originally posted by: LogJammer
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Marshall Law

This always ruins an otherwise good post for me.

You know what, how lazy of me!! Thanks for pointing that out, now edited.

a reply to: nonspecific

The anarchistic part of Germany, i.E. Bavaria. We would be ready to get rid off "the middle man " Germany... who needs that. I am a proud and happy European. Love to travell without boarders and without the money changing.

a reply to: Peeple
I'm happy on our island and with you guys having to change your money when you get here to spend it.
...even better if we join the EEA and leave the EU in my opinion, I'd certainly vote for it in any referendum.

a reply to: Peeple

You are a tiny little country

You are correct. The length of The U.K. is roughly 622 miles at it's longest point, and 311 miles at it's widest. Thank you for pointing that out.

That's what makes The U.K. such a unique country. For being a country so small we have achieved more and given more to The World than possibly any other country. If there is one i would like you to name it.

a reply to: Peeple

We already are a Superpower...

We don't need Europe do such a title.

Just the grandest military strategists and equipment the planet has to offer.




And we, the UK, are in the European Union...
You are clearly deluded.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Peeple

You are a tiny little country

You are correct. The length of The U.K. is roughly 622 miles at it's longest point, and 311 miles at it's widest. Thank you for pointing that out.

that's the kind of post that makes you sit back and have a good think as an Englishman.

the Chinese gave us a lot and the Roman Empire? what did they ever do for us?

That's what makes The U.K. such a unique country. For being a country so small we have achieved more and given more to The World than possibly any other country. If there is one i would like you to name it.

Not going to happen. Not even slightly realistic. They talked about this before, the US encourage them. It fell apart because nobody wanted to pay for it. Defense budgets have shrunk even more since then. The UK and France are not going to give up their own forces that before then they could not act on there interests when they wished. This is beyond a pipe dream.

a reply to: nonspecific
It is why I don't believe that the UK will ever be involved in an EU army anymore than 'closer working' or cooperation.
Would you think the Crown is ever gonna give up being head of a sovereign British Army, RAF, or Royal Navy?
I certainly don't.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific
It is why I don't believe that the UK will ever be involved in an EU army anymore than 'closer working' or cooperation.
Would you think the Crown is ever gonna give up being head of a sovereign British Army, RAF, or Royal Navy?
I certainly don't.

I agree, Iam against seperation and non co operation but Europe is too unbalanced too even think about it.

What does Malta bring to the table for example?

Do not get me wrong they have always been strong allies and held a stratigic position in the past but from recolection thay have a population the size of greater Manchester.

If the EU can not work economically how on earth could anyone expect it to work as a combined army.

originally posted by: nonspecific

If the EU can not work economically how on earth could anyone expect it to work as a combined army.

Very good point ! Im tired of paying corrupted countries like Greece out of their misery ( which never ends...and they need more more and more ) and seeing my own country going downhill as we simply do not afford to save others. Or seeing our jobs going elsewhere, more unemployed people every year.

The EU is a prime example of a first establishment and test for a global world government.
The end goal of the EU is to create a European Federation. If Europe, the continent with the most diverse countries, cultures, history and people, the continent which had been at war for centuries before the establishment of the EU, can manage to create a successful, peaceful coalition, then the proof of this experiment is that a NWO is a feasible thing. Just look at it, the EU is slowly merging into a superstate of first world countries. An additional EU army will serve well to strengthen the coherence between the countries within the EU and to create it more and more into one government. Which isn't necessarily bad thing. I've listened to this very interesting lecture on this subject.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: dollukka

Agreed. I take it you are from Finland right? Out of curiousity.

a reply to: dollukka

Europeans are really in love with building bureaucracy and not only big, but HUGE government on top of HUGE government. No wonder global debt mountain is resting on European shoulders.

European Army on top of NATO and on top of national armies and legislations ... is a wonderful idea. It really puts a dot on an "i" in a coffin, of having federation of independent states - and transforming that into a federation.

Some might like the idea. Typically those who would sit in such nice organisations with fat salary and belly. Some might not like it, for the reason of having to pay from own pocket these fat salaries, offices - and lunches.