911 Truth Hijacked: 911 Perps Created the Truth Movement!

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
There is quite a lot of interesting psychology behind the mentality of those who believe conspiracies and I also think that has a big influence on the truth movement.

I also think this thread is a perfect example of how fractured the truth movement is, so many conflicting theories ranging from thermite to no planes and super secret sexy super weapons. At least the official story is pretty consistent ask any two guys on the street ....

If you had read the information provided you wouldnt have wrote that.

The thread states the theories you mentioned were created not by truthers but the people covering the truth of 911. Your post is actually proof of how this disinfo tactic is supposed to work.
"Atleast the official story is consistent" ergo making 911 truth inconsistent. Success.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

If you had read the information provided you wouldnt have wrote that.

I read the whole thing and watched all but one of the videos

The thread states the theories you mentioned were created not by truthers but the people covering the truth of 911. Your post is actually proof of how this disinfo tactic is supposed to work.

I don't think you quite get what i am saying.

Do you not see how fractured the 9/11 truth movement looks when people who advocate some kind of false flag cannot agree on how it happened and cannot even trust that the people who advocate theories they do not subscribe to.

This is the internet, crazy people get a loud voice. So someone doesn't have to be a Israeli cyber disinfo agent for them to post some ludicrous theory about "no planes". Every major conspiracy theory has its share of crazies who try to promote some pretty out of the box and at times down right sickening theories. Just look at the people who like to go on about the Sandy Hook "Actors". Saying that the victams of a school shooting were actors and saying there were no planes on 9/11 are equally nuts. You do not need any disinfo agents about to peddle this stuff, because the "truthers" are peddling enough of their own disnfo.

Threads like this are a perfect example.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Shadow Herder

If you had read the information provided you wouldnt have wrote that.

I read the whole thing and watched all but one of the videos

The thread states the theories you mentioned were created not by truthers but the people covering the truth of 911. Your post is actually proof of how this disinfo tactic is supposed to work.

I don't think you quite get what i am saying.

Do you not see how fractured the 9/11 truth movement looks when people who advocate some kind of false flag cannot agree on how it happened and cannot even trust that the people who advocate theories they do not subscribe to.

There are three kinds of 9/11 truth seekers: (i) Those who can connect the dots. (ii) Agents employed by the perpetrators to muddy the waters. (iii) Those who have been misled and misdirected by the latter group.

The opening post covered this. Re-read and personal message me if you want more clarity.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

There are three kinds of 9/11 truth seekers: (i) Those who can connect the dots. (ii) Agents employed by the perpetrators to muddy the waters. (iii) Those who have been misled and misdirected by the latter group.

The opening post covered this. Re-read and personal message me if you want more clarity.

Its quite self explanatory, I am reasonably intelligent and I can read so yeah I get what your trying to say.

I am just disagreeing with you for the reasons i have outlined, referencing back to the OP that I disagree with is not going to change that.

I really do hate this kind of arrogance i see on conspiracy websites, you are the guys who can "connect the dots" because the rest of us are ignorant and have been blinded by the evil disinfo agents. Its all rubbish.

There are no disinfo agents trying to peddle some kind of 9/11 agenda because like i said, the 9/11 truth movement is peddling enough disinfo themselves.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Shadow Herder

There are three kinds of 9/11 truth seekers: (i) Those who can connect the dots. (ii) Agents employed by the perpetrators to muddy the waters. (iii) Those who have been misled and misdirected by the latter group.

The opening post covered this. Re-read and personal message me if you want more clarity.

Its quite self explanatory, I am reasonably intelligent and I can read so yeah I get what your trying to say.

I am just disagreeing with you for the reasons i have outlined, referencing back to the OP that I disagree with is not going to change that.

I really do hate this kind of arrogance i see on conspiracy websites, you are the guys who can "connect the dots" because the rest of us are ignorant and have been blinded by the evil disinfo agents. Its all rubbish.

There are no disinfo agents trying to peddle some kind of 9/11 agenda because like i said, the 9/11 truth movement is peddling enough disinfo themselves.

As outlined in the opening post it names people and groups involved in the creation of these fantastical theories that are not real truthers and who agenda was to purposefully 'muddy the waters' when it came to facts and discussion concerning 911.
So your last statement is quite ignorant of the facts and you have lost all credibility. I accept that you disagree, thanks for your contribution.

Lets leave it at that. If you need more clarification or would like to pointlessly argue with me feel free to message me.


Willfully or not. 2. Become incredulous and indignant.
Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
There are three kinds of 9/11 truth seekers: (i) Those who can connect the dots.

I cannot think for myself and need you to think for me, Herder. C'mon and tell me the truth, true truther!

Well actually I do agree with you on the 3 kinds. But I wanna know the truth. You gotta tell me if not I will remain clueless and misled....

Bring it on. Take me home

a reply to: Shadow Herder

As outlined in the opening post it names people and groups involved in the creation of these fantastical theories that are not real truthers and who agenda was to purposefully 'muddy the waters' when it came to facts and discussion concerning 911.

That was quite a list you gave, basically you are saying that any 9/11 conspiracy site that proposes a conspiracy you disagree with must be a disinfo agent sent out to muddy the waters. Do you have any proof that 9/11review.org for example is actually being run by the real perps of 9/11.....

I thought not.

I am really quite taken aback that you do not see how flawed this is

So your last statement is quite ignorant of the facts and you have lost all credibility. I accept that you disagree, thanks for your contribution.

Just let me get this right, when I say to you that I do not believe that there could be any 9/11 disinfo agents because I believe that the 9/11 truth movement is spreading its is own disinfo you say that i am being ignorant and have lost all credibility.

Basically I am ignorant and have no credibility because I do not agree with you.

That kind of goes back to what I was saying about the arrogance of some conspiracy theorists, this kind of elitist mentality that dictates that anyone who disagrees with you is a moron.

I have not called you ignorant, I have not said you have lost creditability, I have only said that I disagree with you and outlined why. I think its quite a logical and reasonable disagreement. Basically I think that there are enough crazy people online posting crazy 9/11 theories to do the work of any would be disinfo agents so they are not needed.

Lets leave it at that. If you need more clarification or would like to pointlessly argue with me feel free to message me.

Lets not, I am not going to start a discussion with you in U2U's, that is quite a obvious attempt to silence my disagreement with you on the thread.

The 9/11 truth movement is a prime target for disinformation, infiltration, and other forms of sabotage by forces who do not want the public asking difficult questions about 9/11. Believers of the official story may see the discussion of disinformation as further evidence of “paranoia,” but objective observers and researchers recognize the clear evidence of disinformation. Disinformation and counterintelligence sabotage have long been used by government authorities in subverting progressive groups and causes (see Cointelpro).

Agents of disinformation may not “play their hand” until the right moment and much disinformation is carefully crafted to appear legitimate. Misleading evidence is often delivered alongside accurate information. On the other hand, some disinformation promotes ridiculous claims and behavior in order to sow confusion and undermine credibility.

Disinformation requires intentionality while misinformation does not. In the 9/11 truth movement, you will come across both—evidence, materials, researchers, and groups that either consciously or unconsciously promote false or misleading information. Much incorrect information within the 9/11 truth community likely began as disinformation but has been perpetuated as unintentional misinformation.

www.truthmove.org...

edit on 7-3-2015 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: stosh64



The planes left for their destinations...

They were "hijacked" by operatives...

Phone calls will corroborate this...



2 completely different planes left for their destination...
Empty... Remote controlled...


The original 2 planes were then taken to a landing strip, and the passengers executed...
Phone calls were "ignored" to give weight to the "official" narrative that had been planned...


The RC planes were guided into the towers...




In my opinion!!!

I'm not a member of this argument, but, Charlie, this "account" you provide doesn't make any sense. You are saying that the supposed hijacked planes really were hijacked and went somewhere else and the "supposed" hijacked planes than did the foul deeds. Where does that make sense throwing in remote controlled craft, killing the passengers otherwise and time constraints for additional activities?

a reply to: Shadow Herder

You copy pasted that entire post from truthmove.org (you really should use the quote function)

Now am I right in saying that truthmove.org is not a disinfo site because you happen to agree with their views on the site?

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: Shadow Herder

In the years I have spent looking into 9/11 as well as UFO's, obviously with both subjects there's a lot more going on that may never be revealed, however I am convinced that a concerted disinformation campaign has been waged within both subjects.

Or to put it another way, some peeps HAVE been pumping obvious fakery into the mix, as far as 9/11 goes, the ''no plane'' view is most certainly one example

yes.

The 9/11 truth movement is what its members make it to be. Either we can work together by critiquing each other in a civil and respectful manner, or we can fight with ourselves indefinitely while the crimes of 9/11 go unanswered. It is clear that staying silent or ignoring the problem of disruption will not effectively provide a solution. While the approach of ignoring a problem allows it to continue successfully without interruption, there are ineffective and effective responses to counter disruption. Establishing guidelines of behavior and protocol for when they are broken could easily and effectively combat this ongoing issue and would only help facilitate the 9/11 truth movement forward towards justice instead of endless and diversionary fighting.

The agent provocateur is as virulent a form of disinformation that exists within the 9/11 truth movement. Their ultimate purpose is to distract, discredit, and weaken the movement through the creation of false adversaries, disinformation, and disruption. As such, these false adversaries encourage activists to fight between themselves rather than challenging their intended opponent. Whether by intent or ego, those who emphasize attacking individuals rather than critiquing ideas in a respectful manner are working against the 9/11 truth movement, not for it.

arabesque911.blogspot.ca...

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

a short list of "no plane" promoters
911blimp.net
911blogger.com
911 Citizens Commission (a booklet published by In Plane Site promoters to distract from the 9/11 Citizens Commission held 9/9/2004 in New York City)
911closeup.com
911forthetruth.com
911hoax.com
911inplanesite.org / powerhour.com / policestate21.com
911mysteries.com
911review.org
911skeptics.blogspot.com
911truth.org
911truthla.org and 911truthla.us (rival groups, both promote "no planes")
americanfreepress.net / barnesreview / davidduke
arcticbeacon.com
assassinationscience.com (organizer of Scholars for Truth about 9/11)
breakfornews.com
davesweb.cnchost.com - Center for an Informed America (CIA)
erichufschmid.net (Painful Questions / Painful Deceptions)
infowars.com / prisonplanet.com
johnkaminski.com / warfolly.com
karlschwarz.com
letsroll911
Loose Change
libertyforum
Morgan Reynolds
Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth
ny911truth.org
Patriots Question 911
pentacon
Pentagon Strike
physics911.org
Pilots for 911 Truth
rense.com
reopen911.org (Jimmy Walter)
Réseau Voltaire (Thierry Meyssan's Voltaire Network)
Scholars for Truth about 9/11
serendipity.li
signs-of-the-times.org (creator of the "Pentagon Strike" no plane film)
team8plus
thewebfairy.com (original "no plane hit WTC" site)
total911.info
tomflocco.com
tvnewslies.org
wanttoknow.info
World Independent News Group (Wing TV)

You know when your going to copy paste like this you really should be using the quote function and giving a link to the original source.

www.oilempire.us...

a reply to: Shadow Herder

Another way to sow disinformation is to present oneself as an entirely reasonable human being, take ownership of a theory by reinvigorating it and then going full batsh!t crazy, thus discrediting anything you ever endorsed.

Please don't go full batsh!t crazy on me.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Indeed, very good link, a must read concerning this topic.

www.oilempire.us...

The link sends you to "Conspiracy Gatekeepers promote hoaxes"

a reply to: Aliensun

Granted my assessment of what I think happened was quite vague...

That was for two reasons;

1) Not to drift the thread too far...

2) The entire theory is too large to elaborate on without its own thread...




I'm saying the planes we are told were hijacked by 19 suicidal Arabs, were in fact taken exactly where the hijackers intended... To a deserted area...
So I'd refer to it as a mass kidnapping & murder rather than a hijacking...
I believe those "suicidal Arabs" we're nothing more than assassins on a job...


While they were guided wherever they were taken, empty RC planes were used, in effect to guarantee it happened as planned...



It's what's known as a Clone Attack, as I found out yesterday in the Russian assassination thread...


Influence a ragtag group, ie suicidal Arabs, to plan an attack...
But of course do away with them and enact the plan precisely so nothing goes wrong...

Intel and "testimony" will point to the OS...

& there is no reason why it shouldn't...
Because in effect, that is what happened...

However, to avoid mistakes, carry out the ragtags plan yourself...


Still quite vague, & I may make a Skunk Works thread to elaborate further...
But it does make sense.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Indeed, very good link, a must read concerning this topic.

www.oilempire.us...

The link sends you to "Conspiracy Gatekeepers promote hoaxes"

Yes it is.

It provided me with the jargon I was looking for.

"Honey Pot".

Is that what you're doing?

a reply to: Psynic

SO there you have it, a link from the 911 perps to the 911 conspiracies.

Flight 93, insider trading, israeli involvement, missing gold, ptech hijacking the faa, amdocs.. etc, these are some of the topic to set off the fake truthers.

No al qaeda behind the coverup.

There is so much conflicting evidence and documentation that I have decided to reserve judgement on 9/11 and keep an open mind. Bottom line? I don't know.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
a reply to: Psynic

SO there you have it, a link from the 911 perps to the 911 conspiracies.

Flight 93, insider trading, israeli involvement, missing gold, ptech hijacking the faa, amdocs.. etc, these are some of the topic to set off the fake truthers.

No al qaeda behind the coverup.

I could not help but note at the time, that the FBI's most wanted list never did cite OBL for the Twin Towers. As is, all that I am sure of is that we know very little about the truth of the matter, and that 'cui bono' creates a most disconcerting list.

And yet not one person involved in any part of any of the conspiracy aspects of 911 has come forward.

No releases from WikiLeaks.

Even the Secret Service can't nooki without the world finding out.
Clinton's BJ only involved two people but the world found out.
General Petraeus had a private fling but the world found out.

You will never convince me that all the people involved in a conspiracy as big as 911 would stay quiet.