Question to those who say being gay is a choice?

I wonder if "straight" males choose to be more attracted and aroused by blondes than brunettes?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I wonder if males choose to be more attracted and aroused by blondes than brunettes?

Iono bout other guys...but I love them all...I am attracted all hair colors..same with races.

All women are gorgeous..but that's may be just me.

As for that fools premise...I have seen other men's penis due to showers..etc..but wasn't sexually aroused...but then again it wasn't poking into anything

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Helious

The things you "do" yes. They are a choice. Not how you "feel".

The feeling I have to beat the hell out of some annoying A-Hole who won't shut up about some stupid ideas he keeps yelling isn't something I choose to feel, however I do choose to act on those feelings.

You're saying that you can't control your emotions and I don't believe that for one second unless you have some sort of condition that prohibits your brain from functioning the way mine does. While I too can feel the burning desire to inflict violence on somebody I can also choose to not feel that way as well, it may not be easy but yes, absolutely is possible.

The more important question is SHOULD you choose to control certain emotions. In the case of violence, the answer is almost certainly yes but when talking about being gay, I don't see a reason you should alter the way you feel. I take issue with the statement that being gay isn't a choice because it most certainly is regardless of how you feel.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Wrong, it's Nature + Nurture.

Everyone tries to simplify things and pretend it's one or the other when it's a combination of both.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

That's interesting to me. Are you saying that you choose, as in make a conscious decision about the things you desire in life??? Not whether you indulge those desires but the desires themselves???

I can sometimes learn to like something I didn't like before by gaining more info about it or something but even then there is an internal "feeling" as to whether or not I like something and it has nothing to do with me choosing it. Either I like it or not.

For example, I don't like Grapefruit. Can't stand it. Nothing I choose will change that. I can choose to eat it still but I don't like it. I can't choose that.

a reply to: Helious

Your beliefs/morals/internal book of law dictates your emotions. Your emotions shape your thoughts. Your thoughts influence your actions. Your actions alter your perception. Your perception becomes your reality.

If I had a choice, I definitely would not have chosen to be ostracized by my community, estranged from my family and despised by my faith all over being a dude who is attracted to other dudes.

We are the way we are. Everyone else just needs to keep their nose out of other people's business and get over it.

a reply to: Helious

You can change the amount you think about it sure but you can't change the feeling itself on a conscious level. What you're talking about is control over your actions about emotions not the emotions themselves.

That's why they are emotions. You can control them and suppress or indulge them consciously but you don't get to choose them consciously. They are what they are and you choose how to deal with them but they themselves are just there either by nature or whatever.

You can even condition them too by certain patterns of living to some degree or even program them in sometimes. But you don't arbitrarily choose them from one day to the next.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Helious

Your beliefs/morals/internal book of law dictates your emotions. Your emotions shape your thoughts. Your thoughts influence your actions. Your actions alter your perception. Your perception becomes your reality.

All quite true and I added a second paragraph to my last post to further explain my position but you did just prove my point, at least the one I'm trying to make. Personal reality isn't absolute, neither are beliefs, morals or internal laws. All of these things are subject to change either from internal or external events or influence and at any time for most normal people, they can choose to adopt or shun any of the above and thus alter their "reality" reducing everything to basic conscious choice.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Your nature is the clay molded by experience into the person you become. No matter what your experience you cannot change the clay, but like all clay there are many forms into which it can be shaped.

That does not change that the clay has it's limits and properties no amount on nurture/experience will change.

originally posted by: thesmokingman

Stopped reading when you said that "anybody that says they have never been attracted to the opposite sex is lying". I am 39 years old and have never found another man "attractive". It is unwise for you to try and speak for everybody.


It is unwise, isn't it? Why not apply that to this topic. Based on your never having been attracted to a man, and your brother experimenting and figuring out it wasn't for him, you assume that everyone must feel the same way; you've dismissed it as a fetish and such. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who, in their 39 or whatever years, have never ever been attracted to someone of the opposite sex. I know plenty of people who find the thought of getting sexual or romantic with people of the opposite sex icky, like you thinking of another dude. So how is their sexuality a choice any more than yours?

a reply to: and14263

Being gay is not a choice.

But you aren't born that way.

Wow.
Haven't gotten further through the thread yet, but just -

WHAT?

It's not a choice but you aren't born that way?

Also - someone asked where TinkerHaus got his idea that if you are a male and watch porn it means you're gay -
I believe it was from Ron White's standup routine.

a reply to: mOjOm

Testimony shmestimony...

I've looked into it plenty...

& I don't believe a word if its coming from a paedosadist.


And how many, is "many"???

A majority?
A minority?
50/50?
All of them?

How about none of them and they are full of s#...


Why wouldn't they choose?

What problems does it cause their life?
How many come clean & say they have this "problem" without being caught first?

Not f#ing many is it!


No, none for you, none for them, none for anyone with that opinion!

a reply to: mOjOm

For example, I don't like Grapefruit. Can't stand it. Nothing I choose will change that. I can choose to eat it still but I don't like it. I can't choose that.

Let's take that further. Can you learn to like or choose to eat rotten food? Like in the movie Alien Nation where the aliens loved to drink spoiled milk. You would vomit, correct?

Now apply that to heterosexuality and homosexuality. Can straight man "learn to like and be attracted" to other men. Straight men get sick at the thought of it and would vomit if they chose to participate.

a reply to: carolenej1

God don't make any mistakes if God wanted men and woman to be attracted to their own sex he would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorah.

what?

If God doesn't make any mistakes, AND there are men and women attracted to their own sex, then it follows that "God" designed them like that to begin with.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Onslaught2996

That's interesting to me. Are you saying that you choose, as in make a conscious decision about the things you desire in life??? Not whether you indulge those desires but the desires themselves???

I can sometimes learn to like something I didn't like before by gaining more info about it or something but even then there is an internal "feeling" as to whether or not I like something and it has nothing to do with me choosing it. Either I like it or not.

For example, I don't like Grapefruit. Can't stand it. Nothing I choose will change that. I can choose to eat it still but I don't like it. I can't choose that.

As far I as I know...all my life I do not think I have ever said...I think I will like this but not that.

I have never made a decision about loving women..it was just there. I think gay people are awesome but I also cannot see what a man would see in another man...no matter what..but a lesbian....I can see...

a reply to: carolenej1

if God wanted men and woman to be attracted to their own sex he would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorah.

That's a misconception most Christians believe for some strange reason. Sodom and Gomorrah have never been about homosexuality.

Ok back on track.

I'll state that we can control our sexual preferences when someone can show me how to control my eye color.

(sneaks back out. . . )

a reply to: Deaf Alien

What do you mean why wouldn't they choose it??? Maybe because everyone hates you, you go to prison if you act on it, you can't have a normal healthy relationship with any adults, you're harming children, etc.

There are many reasons not to choose it. So back to you now, why would you choose it??? What are the benefits from choosing it I'd like to know.

a reply to: beezzer

Wait! I know the answer to that one!

Color contact lenses!

*ducks*