Question to those who say being gay is a choice?

originally posted by: Gryphon66


Right, I understand that. But again, if they say they're straight, ... how can we know? We can't read minds.

For me..it would be their actions.

I can't read minds but if someone told me they were straight but had gay sex for money or went gay just for jail...I would say..ummm..no your are definitely not straight.

Ben Carson brought up the gay sex thing for jail...what does he have to say about those who are in jail and still stay straight.

I believe people who have intimate relations with the same sex have always had those feelings and were just masking them and lying to themselves when they say they are straight. I think they have always been bisexual.

Different though if raped.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes, I know what you're saying. I guess in cases like that in prison, it becomes a necessitated 'penis fetish' of sorts. And, yes, I suppose we've got to believe them as we can't, in fact, read minds. My position just comes from being and knowing "dudes' dudes" and how any accusation of any homosexual leanings is an automatic insult. I'd say there's a percentage that are acting out fantasies, and some that are just good at their job haha. I mean adult male actors have to be ready to go in awkward situations at all times, so I guess this would be just another day on set for some.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Yeah I apologize! I read too fast lol. I edited my post tho.

Seems the beer is starting to get to my head lol.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Yeah I apologize! I read too fast lol. I edited my post tho.

It's okay. Thanks.

a reply to: mOjOm

I'm pissed because I am...

So what.


You said...

The fact that many of them hate the fact...

So yes, you did indeed state it as a fact!
Based on the "testimony" of paedosadists themselves...


Well excuse me, but I'll refrain from taking their word for it!
So it makes perfect sense why I think it's a choice!



I'd have to be a paedosadist myself to have an answer to your loaded question.



I will say this, since we're using "many" as a roundabout way to generalise...


Many paedosadists have wives and children themselves...
& abuse them...

But yes, of course they're so remorseful and "hate themselves" for those "desires"... Don't they?




Last response.

It's conflated nonsense.

In my opinion!

a reply to: WizardVanWizard

I never understood those guys who act all defensive or want to fight when accused of being gay..

What's the problem..if your not..there shouldn't be an issue unless of course there is something to it.

Someone did try that with me..called me "gay"..I was like kewl...whatever floats your boat.

I didn't to act out or try to prove anything to them. Just let them think what they want. Not really sure if they thought I was or just trying to insult...but eh..

originally posted by: Onslaught2996
a reply to: WizardVanWizard

I never understood those guys who act all defensive or want to fight when accused of being gay..

What's the problem..if your not..there shouldn't be an issue unless of course there is something to it.

Someone did try that with me..called me "gay"..I was like kewl...whatever floats your boat.

I would have hit them with my purse then gave them a scratching!

originally posted by: beezzer



I would have hit them with my purse then gave them a scratching!

We disagree on much..but that was awesome star for you..

Definitely agree. I would also expand on it.

If it were a choice it wouldn't just be a one time choice. Why would it be?

Say in 7th grade Derek after much deliberation on the matter made this conscious decision to be gay. This would entail the need to reaffirm this decision periodically. It's not like that initial choice would then magically make such a thing permanent. A choice of this nature would entail revisiting the decision on a fairly regular basis. What would that internal dialogue look like? "Yeah my choice to be gay was a good one last week. I'm going to be solely attracted to the same-sex this week too".

The whole notion seems absurd to me. I don't think our underlying attractions to a particular sex(s) is the product of a conscious decision. Not for any orientation. That's my opinion. That's my experience.

Though honestly I could care less if it were a choice. Not one iota.

Damn this is cutting into my work out time..

Be off for a bit, plus I may be off for an hour, days or weeks. Just come on when the mood strikes me. So don't be surprised if I don't reply for awhile.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Ok, I used the word fact. Sorry that was more of a figure of speech than anything. I'll be more careful in the future.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend their actions. All I'm saying is that for some, they don't want to have those feelings yet they are stuck with them forever. Even if they choose to never act on them they live it.

I'm not saying that they all feel that way but some do, for whatever reason that may be.

Don't know how our conversation turned so aggressive either. I'm not trying to offend you or anything with what I'm saying. I think something is getting twisted or misunderstood in our conversation, but I'm not sure what or where.

I don't think I'm giving you loaded questions either.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

What would that internal dialogue look like? "Yeah my choice to be gay was a good one last week. I'm going to be solely attracted to the same-sex this week too".

Don't forget:
"I think I'll risk being bullied and have people beat me up."
"My family might ostracize me but I don't care"

and in some countries where homosexuality is illegal:
"I think I'll risk getting locked up or killed."

a reply to: mOjOm

My anger is at the conflation and not with you mOjOm...

Apologies if it seemed that way!




Have a good evening.

it's no more a choice than breathing is. you is what you is. my uncle was married for 20 years, had 2 kids. then came out as gay. he lived a lie because he was scared to be what he actually was. gay, straight, religious, atheist, etc etc etc. society tries to tell us what's acceptable, what's 'right'. ignore that crap. be yourself.

Being gay is not our natural design, we were born with sexual organs for a reason. We are animals by nature designed to interact and mate with the opposite sex.

If through societies interaction, life experiences or abuse or what ever - you find yourself attracted to the same sex, hey good for you, what ever makes you happy - I'm happy your happy. But lets not be naive, you were born to mate with the opposite sex, mentally and physically and over time your mental state was moulded to be attracted in another direction. There's nothing wrong with it, but it wasn't the way humans were designed to be.

You were not born gay. You were born a human with sexual organs designed to interact with the other sex. smells, touch, noises were designed in your chemical makeup to be attracted to the opposite sex. You didn't understand the concept of being gay.

You did not chose to be gay. you didn't one day decide, hey I'm gay! you probably realized at some point you were more attracted to the same sex and had a light bulb moment, but you didn't decide.

lastly, the idea that if you watch porn means your not 100% straight is total nonsense. what a load of dribble if I've ever heard it.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Being gay is not natural, we were born with sexual organs for a reason.

What about hermaphrodites?

a reply to: carolenej1

if God wanted men and woman to be attracted to their own sex he would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorah.

Yahweh destroyed those two major cities because they were generally immoral and bad neighbors.

The townsfolk wanted to rape the angels disguised as men. They pounded on Lot's door demanding Lot release the angel-men so they could gang-rape them in the streets. Remember Lot offered his young daughters to be raped instead?

Rape. If you understand the psychology of rape then you would know how very different of a discussion gang-rape is to a discussion of homosexuality between consenting adults.

Why care what this god thinks on the matter anyways? You realize when he carpet bombed those two major cities with brimstone he would have murdered innocent infants, babies, toddlers, young teens, pregnant mothers... He's not exactly a role model for morality. Nor is he real.

originally posted by: TinkerHaus

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: TinkerHaus

Do you really think pedophiles choose to be pedophiles? If you do, then why do they make that choice but gay people are just the way the are?

Answer the entire question, don't just copy a line and pretend you're clever.

Gawd...ignorance alert again.

Forget the pedophiles..what about the children..did they choose to be abused? Did they one day wake up and say, you know what..I feel like being physically and emotionally used by an adult.

See ..with homosexuals..there is a choice between two consenting humans...where in pedophilia, the consent it not need or asked for by another..it is taken no matter the pain it causes a child.

Can you honestly not see the difference and why one is disgusting and immoral while the other is just about two people being in love?

If you got the same stupid question..then no more replies..because you have no amount of common sense in your head.

Are you incapable of reading? I agree with you that one is ok and the other is abhorrent. Are you dense?

Point the "ignorant" finger toward yourself, because you are obviously not grasping what I'm saying.. Or you are choosing to avoid the LEGITIMATE question and do your own thing. I'm betting on ignorant/incapable.

Is it really about two people being in love? Most heterosexual relationships are not about two people being in love - they are about two people getting it on. Why must you try to idealize it instead of just being plain and forward?

Same thing regarding the idea that it's not a choice, it's just the way they are.. ANSWER THE QUESTION: Do you really think pedophiles CHOOSE to be attracted to children?

Because you obviously just read/take in what you want, let me reiterate for the umpteenth time that I'm not condoning pedophilia, I am simply pointing out that by your OWN LOGIC we should accept pedophiles because I'm sure they don't choose to be freaks.

Do you get it now or does someone need to break out the crayons and draw you a picture?

No they do not CHOOSE to be pedophiles: that's what turns them on, and why it's so damn hard to control. But, and a big one, they KNOW that's wrong and make anything to hide their behaviors. They KNOW they're hurting kids but will go very far to fell not guilty, pushing the guilt on kid who 'provoqued' them. They are sick puppies in my book.

On the other hand, we're all somewhere in between Full Straight / Totally Gay and it's in no way a choice. And as long it' between consentual adults it's totally ok with me. Religions put a shame on it for obvious reason: less population growth so less membership/power. And please everybody, let God out of this, we're all the same in his eyes.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

mentally and physically and over time your mental state was moulded to be attracted in another direction.

So you're saying it was all environmental factors. Not at all nature, but all nurture. You seem to be presenting this as if it were absolute fact, and you were an authority on the matter. So care to enlighten us? The rest of the world seems to think this dispute hasn't been resolved, yet you apparently have resolved it.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Yep, no doubt in my mind.
Gay is purely a product of our mental state - there's nothing wrong with it, but its not what nature intended for us.
We think we're so smart and so clever because we're more intelligent than other living things. We make things so complex and complicated in our minds we often forget the simple basics of our designs.

Penis meet Vagina
Vagina meet Penis
Once the two have met, you breed babies
Life continues

Its our brains that make us something else, ie gay!

To be honest, I don't see why gay people are so hellbent on making people accept them and their sexuality. Be who you are, do what you want. No one is stopping you, but forcing people to accept, be happy and agree with your lifestyle is a struggle with no resolution.