The laryngeal nerve of a Giraffe. (autopsy)

To me this just proves animals (including us) evolved and was not designed.
If designed the designer would have been fired.
This is an autopsy so If you don't want to see it don't press play.



Fascinating.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Can't watch atm, could you just summarize why the specific nerve enforces your beliefs?

Like the roots of a plant finding the way to the water, our bodies evolved much in the same way. Growing, adapting, adding new organs, bending into new shapes. Each change to more easily survive in the environment. That is why not all animals are economical or effecient in their "design". And the development of humans with their eyes closer together is from generations of living indoors.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
To me this just proves animals (including us) evolved and was not designed.
If designed the designer would have been fired.
This is an autopsy so If you don't want to see it don't press play.

Fascinating.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

The nerve goes all the way down the neck and back up to the brain...If designed it would only be a couple of inches to the brain but as the giraffe evolved (neck got bigger) the nerve went down its neck and back up. When it didn't need to.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Wait a second... if the whole point of evolution is to evolve into more adaptive and efficient species, why was evolution unable to allow for the giraffe to evolve to remedy the inefficient nerve?

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: boymonkey74

Wait a second... if the whole point of evolution is to evolve into more adaptive and efficient species, why was evolution unable to allow for the giraffe to evolve to remedy the inefficient nerve?

If the inefficiency was so subtle that it didn't effect the giraffes overall survivability, then it wouldn't be a factor. Or we may currently be seeing the evolution of giraffes. Another 100,000 years the nerve may be straight.

a reply to: boymonkey74

God made Giraffe after he made alcohol... there were some issues...

a reply to: doompornjunkie

What if ancient giraffes were much smaller, & the nerve just had to keep extending to fit in the neck?

Every time I see Dawkins this episode comes to mind.

Or, it could be that it HAS to be looped around the large vessels for a reason we don't understand... I always joke that we are going to get to Heaven's Gate and not get accepted because we had our appendix removed and it's the key to getting in, or worse our Wisdom Teeth... We always hear that they are unnecessary parts left over, from changes in evolution... Maybe the intelligent designer is more intelligent than we give him credit for, maybe he/she/it knew a bit more about it all than we do.

Or maybe I just feel better believing that something created us and we have purpose rather than just chance.

Have you ever heard someone say "You gotta' speak/sing from the heart." Then they point at their chest and say "It comes from here, NOT here." moving their pointer finger to their head. Or when emotions are high you get that "lump" in your throat...Maybe the design is to keep us from saying stupid stuff when emotions take over.....My thoughts Exactly..."hmmmmmm"

a reply to: doompornjunkie

A nerve inefficiency that could potentially effect the larynx should be a pretty significant factor though.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Excellent video. I'd heard about this but hadn't seen it. Never looked it up as I didn't need any convincing.

Sadly the people who need convincing will never be convinced.

a reply to: EternalSolace

I can't see a way that evolution would "correct" this inefficiency through the normal rigors of life. Inefficiency isn't eliminated during evolution unless it's enough to impact mortality consistently.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Except it's not, as they seem to do more than well in their environment.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: doompornjunkie

A nerve inefficiency that could potentially effect the larynx should be a pretty significant factor though.

'Could potentially' isn't good enough. Does it, or doesn't it, that's what matters. Unless the nerve has a tendency to get kinked and cause the giraffe to choke or suffocate, it probably doesn't effect the giraffe, thus it hasn't been evolved out as it doesn't effect the giraffes survivability.

So in this case, evolution developed something that is non-beneficial? The giraffe must have had a need for this so-called inefficient nerve.

originally posted by: jeramie
So in this case, evolution developed something that is non-beneficial? The giraffe must have had a need for this so-called inefficient nerve.

I was pondering that as well. The nerve may aid in the giraffes ability to bend its neck backwards without putting tension on the nerve.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

You do make a rational point but I can't quite agree with this observation in that the nerve would not need to extend all of the way down to the heart and back up to relieve the tension. My thought is that a simple loop of a few extra inches could serve to relieve any tension that may be exerted by the neck's flexibility. If anything, I think that the overall lngth would even increase potential tension on the nerve.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: jeramie
So in this case, evolution developed something that is non-beneficial? The giraffe must have had a need for this so-called inefficient nerve.

I was pondering that as well. The nerve may aid in the giraffes ability to bend its neck backwards without putting tension on the nerve.

It's not that evolution developed something non-beneficial. It just did not eliminate something because it was non-detrimental.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: doompornjunkie

You do make a rational point but I can't quite agree with this observation in that the nerve would not need to extend all of the way down to the heart and back up to relieve the tension. My thought is that a simple loop of a few extra inches could serve to relieve any tension that may be exerted by the neck's flexibility. If anything, I think that the overall lngth would even increase potential tension on the nerve.

The nerve is located near the front of the neck, and the neck is about 6.5 feet long on an adult giraffe. Bending the neck backwards would require a lot more than a few inches. If I knew the exact angle at which they could bend their neck backwards and the distance from the anterior side of the vertebrae to the nerve I could give you an exact amount.. but a few inches wouldn't be enough.

Regardless, it is just a theory either way.