Mass Rally in Moscow

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: JonStone

You don't wonder what he was doing there?

It's called politics, you know what this is, right?
Where's all the criticism of Putin meeting Obama, or Cameron, or the meeting just a couple of weeks back with Merkel and Hollande?

But no! It's deeply suspicious when a politician meets other politicians... but only when you want to claim that they're "anti-Russian fascists colluding with the evil west!!!!!!" lol

People here really need to get a grip.

originally posted by: LotToTell2
a reply to: all2human

I see you bought into CIA BS

Putin would have this guy be killed by heart attack or have an angry boyfriend or girlfriend or drug dealer kill him or something like that

Not 200 yards from Kremlin itself

THIS IS A SETUP

Alexander Litvinenko

Or are you so much of a propagandist you really think it was anyone other than the Russian state getting Polonium into the middle of London?

a reply to: Rocker2013

Where's all the criticism of Putin meeting Obama, or Cameron, or the meeting just a couple of weeks back with Merkel and Hollande?

Another deliberate false comparison also known as the "straw man" argument.

What do you suppose they have to talk about?

It's not the same as with the leaders of countries meeting, he has no such authority. What does this government member have to discuss with the ambassador of one of Russia's opposing forces? Unofficially.

It is a very reasonable question.

There is no need to get all emotional, unless it is really ruining your day.

a reply to: Rocker2013

I wonder what America would do to Snowden for instance.

Litvinenko was a traitor. Even his own father says so.

www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: mangust69
Here`s the link with English Translation...
Boris Nemtsov getting instructions at the American embassy in Moscow

So everyone who walks into an American Embassy is a CIA agent? That is the stupidest thing so far in this thread! The CIA is running their undercover agents out of the Embassy now...hahaha. Walk in to get your secret instructions, smile for the cameras surrounding the building!

Russians sure make up stupid theories...

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: Rocker2013

I wonder what America would do to Snowden for instance.

Litvinenko was a traitor. Even his own father says so.

www.theguardian.com...

They would arest Snowden they wouldn't kill him.As for him being a traitor he got in trouble for investigating a murder in Russia. When he found out who did it turned out it was his superiors at the FSB.Of course he was locked up released than locked up again after the second time he fled. What got him killed was when he told the world the apartment bombings in Moscow was an FSB operation. So the two aren't even a comparison. Snowden faces 30 yrs in prison with good behavior maybe 10.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

So why was he there? You don't even want to know?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Like the "Animals" that stormed the streets of Ferguson over unsubstantiated claims, these "protesters", too, deserve nothing less than a Russian military presence just like what we saw the USG do in Ferguson.

Why is # like this ok to say?

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: noeltrotsky

So why was he there? You don't even want to know?

Probably for a Visa like the rest of the Russian citizens that go there.

The point is that the CIA doesn't run double agents through the US embassy. The bigger point is that Mother Russians are spewing so many stupid theories everywhere in an effort to cloud the truth. Nemtsov's biggest enemy was Putin. Any credible investigation into his murder would start with interviewing his biggest enemy. Basic Detective 101...but you'll wait a long time for a Mother Russian to admit that.

a reply to: dragonridr

He was a traitor who worked with MI6

www.independent.co.uk...

They would arest Snowden they wouldn't kill him.

Perhaps.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

The point is that the CIA doesn't run double agents through the US embassy. The bigger point is that Mother Russians are spewing so many stupid theories everywhere in an effort to cloud the truth.

And there is the mandatory name calling again......

I was just asking what he was doing there.

Any credible investigation into his murder would start with interviewing his biggest enemy. Basic Detective 101...but you'll wait a long time for a Mother Russian to admit that.

You are aware of what the investigators are, and are not doing?

And what do you suggest? They need to ask Putin where he was that night?

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: noeltrotsky

The point is that the CIA doesn't run double agents through the US embassy. The bigger point is that Mother Russians are spewing so many stupid theories everywhere in an effort to cloud the truth.

And there is the mandatory name calling again......

I was just asking what he was doing there.

Any credible investigation into his murder would start with interviewing his biggest enemy. Basic Detective 101...but you'll wait a long time for a Mother Russian to admit that.

You are aware of what the investigators are, and are not doing?

And what do you suggest? They need to ask Putin where he was that night?

Actually, that sounds like the first thing any police official worth his salt should do.

Of course, that won't actually happen. Incredibly doubtful that Putin would have the Kintama to actually do the deed himself. More likely, Putin probably invoked his best King Henry II impression and asked "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome politician?" I'm sure he's surrounded by cronies who are more than happy to oblige.

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: dragonridr

He was a traitor who worked with MI6

www.independent.co.uk...

They would arest Snowden they wouldn't kill him.

Perhaps.

Once again half truths he consulted with MI6 starting in 2004 after he became a citizen of the UK. He worked in the organized crime division in the FSB so I'm sure was familiar with criminal activities. Now I would think he needed to find a job and with his skill set obviously MI6 was willing to pay him.

However sadly you try to make it out like him being employed by MI6 in 2004 meant he was a spy simply not the case. He fled Rusia in 2000 granted asylum in 2003. Started working with MI6 in 2004. Also worked with Spanish intelligence services as well.

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: Rocker2013

I wonder what America would do to Snowden for instance.

Litvinenko was a traitor. Even his own father says so.

www.theguardian.com...

A "traitor" according to a despicable regime which regularly murders people who criticize it is not a traitor.

Snowden was not a traitor either.

And I'm sure if the US wanted to murder Snowden they would have done it already.

I like how you try to distract the reality with another pointless diversion about the US though, didn't see that one coming at all lol

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: Rocker2013

Where's all the criticism of Putin meeting Obama, or Cameron, or the meeting just a couple of weeks back with Merkel and Hollande?

Another deliberate false comparison also known as the "straw man" argument.

What do you suppose they have to talk about?

It's not the same as with the leaders of countries meeting, he has no such authority. What does this government member have to discuss with the ambassador of one of Russia's opposing forces? Unofficially.

It is a very reasonable question.

There is no need to get all emotional, unless it is really ruining your day.

1. It's not at all a "straw man". It's perfectly fine in your mind for politicians to meet when it suits your view (I know you might find it difficult to grasp the idea of democracy and freedom of association) but when a meeting such as this affords you some method of twisting it it's suddenly sinister. Ukraine is an ally of the west, it wants to be a member of the EU and NATO. America supports this, and Nemtsov was in favor of such political movement. You hate this idea, so you find ways to make what could be nothing more than friends meeting to discuss politics into an "evil conspiracy". Welcome to the notion of ALL people having the right to pursue their own ideas of politics without the "dear leader" enforcing one view!

2. What did they talk about? Probably how political change could occur in Russia and bring it into the wider world. This is not illegal. Here's what you're not getting - in the free world (where most of us live) it's perfectly fine to meet with people and talk about politics, form political parties, push for social change, seek a better future... the fact that you think a politician meeting another politician to discuss how a nation can move forward on a different path as sinister and criminal tells us all we need to know about your views.

Once again, being a political activist is not criminal, at least not outside of Russia.

3. Attempting to swipe and discredit an opinion by calling the poster "emotional" is one of the most pathetic excuses for debate I think I have ever seen. Well done though, I think you've adequately shown everyone else here how pointless and ridiculous your arguments are

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: MasterMaximum
a reply to: Rocker2013

I wonder what America would do to Snowden for instance.

Litvinenko was a traitor. Even his own father says so.

www.theguardian.com...

A "traitor" according to a despicable regime which regularly murders people who criticize it is not a traitor.

Snowden was not a traitor either.

And I'm sure if the US wanted to murder Snowden they would have done it already.

I like how you try to distract the reality with another pointless diversion about the US though, didn't see that one coming at all lol

You make a very good point. Many of us here consider Snowden a hero of sorts for his courage to stand up and speak out about U.S. secrets, many of which are quite unfavorable to the U.S.

The most interesting this about "the hit" to me is that the girlfriend wasn't killed. It tells me that "romantic" complications, and Nemtsov was the poster boy for romantic complications, were almost certainly not involved in his killing. That the girlfriend survived also tells me that she doesn't know anything of significance about what happened.

I think she was almost certainly the person who set Nemtsov up, but may not have realized that she was doing it. She probably told someone what their plans were for that night, which allowed the scene to be set for assassination. Of course she could have been told to walk across the bridge with him, which would be a more serious involvement.

She is Ukrainian and has relatives in the Ukraine. That could be something that could have been used as a lever to move her to cooperate with Nemtsov's enemies.

Nemtsov had political enemies in Russia, chief among them Putin and his faction at the Kremlin. Presumably the "east bloc" of the Ukraine were also his enemies.

Broadly speaking, Putin wants to keep the West at a distance and to prevent them from becoming involved in social movements, dubious democratic initiatives, or large scale financial manipulations in Russia. Imagine that.

Nemtsov was a popular pest who was flirting with the West and condemning Russia's overt and covert involvement in the continuing crisis in Ukraine. Nemtsov was a more serious threat to Russia as Putin sees it, than an NGO funded by the CIA or foreign financial manipulators, who can either be expelled or in the case of the latter, controlled by regulatory measures.

I don't know if anyone has noticed but financial manipulations over the last decade or so in the West have created serious financial upsets. I think Putin, and he is not alone in foreign lands, has been trying to find a way for Russia not to get sucked into the West's financial sinkhole.

A frivolous and dangerous character like Nemtsov is just the sort of guy who could play to a certain audience in Russia that just wants to be European and can't be bothered about the big picture. Think of them as the Russian Americans. They don't want hardship. They don't want to bite the bullet and tough it out independantly. They don't see light at the end of the tunel. They want to get out of the tunnel.

That's where the rubber meets the road in Russian politics and where the fork in the road of Russian politics lies.

Nemtsov got shot by people who are more serious than he is, or was. I don't think it was necessary to shoot him, but somebody did think it was necessary. Was he that big a deal? Somebody thought so and got rid of him. Was he on the side of the angels in Russian politics? I don't think so. He could be seen as collaborating with interests that would like to reduce Russian autonomy and economic independence. In the Ukraine he could be seen as advancing the agenda of the outside interests who financed and coached the coup that created the current split in the country.

Nemtsov was a serious crap disturber. He was a frivolous man if one judges him by his philandering. Obviously somebody had had enough of him. Politics in Russia is being played very roughly these days. I wish Putin or somebody had been able to undermine Nemtsov in the court of public opinion, with finesse, instead of bumping him off.

But that's where we are in Russia, today.

a reply to: ipsedixit

I found that interesting to left a witness behind. Made me wonder if she wasn't working for the FSB a known womanizer and you want to keep track of him easy pretty girl. We know he was was being watched by the FSB just maybe closer than he thought??

a reply to: dragonridr

Her phone was probably tapped. She may have had friends planted around her who kept up to date on her relationship with Nemtsov. Not serious prying. Just "girl talk". Just enough to know when and where to take advantage of an unguarded moment.

If she really were an FSB "asset", I think she would have been killed.

a reply to: ipsedixit

About Duritskaya, Nemtsov's girlfriend.

The woman who was with Boris Nemtsov when he was fatally shot in Moscow has said she is being held against her will by Russian investigators.

In a Skype interview with Russian news channel Dozhd, Anna Duritskaya, 23, added she did not see the former opposition leader's killer as the shots were fired behind her.

The Ukrainian model added she had little recollection of the moment the gunman struck while the couple walked across a bridge in Moscow after having dinner in Red Square.

"I don't want to answer questions about what happened on the bridge. I don't want to talk about this," she said.

"I am in a very difficult psychological condition and I cannot talk about this any more now. I feel bad? I saw no one. I don't know where he came from - he was behind my back."

Ms Duritskaya claimed she had been under constant police guard since the shooting and her detention meant she would be unable to attend Mr Nemtsov's funeral. All she wanted to do, she said, was to go home to her mother in Ukraine.

"I have every right to leave the territory of the Russian Federation. I am not a suspect," she said. "I am a witness who gave full testimony and did everything possible to assist the investigation.

"They are physically not allowing me to go anywhere without them," she added, referring to Russian investigators. "They have explained to me that this is for security reasons."

web.orange.co.uk...

Seems, she is simply saying " I don't know anything and i haven't seen anything"