Detachment is apathy

originally posted by: Bluesma


There is no separation
and
There is perception of separation.
Perception of separation allows for experience of relation.

There just SEAMS to be separation and yes the whole world is born out of this SEAMING - but the 'world' is just a concept arising presently as presence.

a reply to: Bluesma
Do you believe that you have freewill?

So happy to see so many pregnant gold fish Last I was here one of them was so large the hook on wish I tried to capture became straight as a fletched arrow and shot away...

I wonder who has taken Joshu's dog for a walk lately? Has the dust been fully removed? long have I fished in these waters as an old black dog, with a much hated symbol of enlightenment, twisted for another purpose from one extreme to the other.

So say all of you? I have a question if your mouth's do not proceed you and your eye's do not deceive you...

Does a dog have Buddha nature? What is the sound of one hand clapping? If those you cannot answer... or can.

If you would be so empathetic and compassionate as to share a thought or two on impermanence for a poor old man, as it was the first gate and last gate for I.

I tip my cup as a simple beggar, so you may gain a blessing or lose a hand.

Pass over if you must... eventually we all return to dust, which way the karmic winds blow? Lo!

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I'll spare a thought for you.

There is life in the ole dog yet

It's been a short winter, the tree buds every season, and the misleote takes its place within the oak.... The evergreen grows old graciously, but always looks like a bigger version of its former self.

As for the two questions regarding the dog and the clapping hand. Only a dog and a Buddha could answer those questions.

originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I'll spare a thought for you.

There is life in the ole dog yet

It's been a short winter, the tree buds every season, and the misleote takes its place within the oak.... The evergreen grows old graciously, but always looks like a bigger version of its former self.

As for the two questions regarding the dog and the clapping hand. Only a dog and a Buddha could answer those questions.

Very nice poetry. Does a dog train itself to not crap on your carpet out of it's own nature? NO. Is it alive and have a conscience? Yes.

Since you used trees... how about if a tree falls in the woods but no one is there to hear it does it make a sound? Some perception perceived it's falling... so it falls but does not make a sound? Curious, as it does not say it is standing there trying to gain a kiss from young and old alike using juniper perfume from a mountain top guarded by snow leopards and echo of HUM! Long spoken from dead lips and blasted on deaf ears from long buried pipes. The 3rd patriarch of zen is not longer abysmal in the abyss. The kalachakra turns but once an aeon and lips grow full on saturated ears. Padmasambhava would be proud.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness



About the tree falling.... One could say the same for the big bang. Who was there to even percieve it?

Can a arrangement of fallen remnants be used to pinpoint where it once stood and prove it fell?

a reply to: Wifibrains

Trees fall, when you run across a log you accept it has fallen, if you do not see it? You may too, when you run across a universe call JPL, and trade trips. Until then it is what it is and all perception arises as your focus shifts, much skill it takes to learn how to place it moment by moment wrapped around with one's own face wrapped in it. All matter is in a state of perpetual flux.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

How far is across the universe?

I took a trip across a lagoon that reflected no stars, when i broke the surface it was full of all the light that was ever created by them.

I could not see the Forrest for the trees were obscuring, so I felled the ones casting the shadow and now all is bright.

It's called a trick of the light, you dont see the rabbit when it goes underground in the darkness, but you see it when it pops up and light reflects off of it.

You don't see a photon as it moves through the vast expanse of space, you see it's reflection when it hits something and hits your eye. Angles at play... its almost like it hides within the black wave of multicolours until you are supposed see it.

originally posted by: Wifibrains
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

How far is across the universe?

I took a trip across a lagoon that reflected no stars, when i broke the surface it was full of all the light that was ever created by them.

I could not see the Forrest for the trees trees were obscuring, so I felled the ones casting the shadow and now all is bright.

It's called a trick of the light, you dont see the rabbit when it goes underground in the darkness, but you see it when it pops up and light reflects off of it.

You don't see a photon as it moves through the vast expanse of space, you see it's reflection when it hits something and hits your eye. Angles at play... its almost like it hides within the black wave of multicolours until you are supposed see it.

Many a philosophers tongue has been cut on many flags moving in the past, how they manage to lick the flag with their tongue stuck to the pole... who knows?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

The philosophers tongue is cut and the flag is licked while stuck to the pole as he symulatiously lowers the flag?

Maybe the tongue was cut from the pole by the lowering of the flag?

I have never heard of flags being licked! Sounds like a fetish.

Stupid people do stick their tongues on cold poles though....

Lol

a reply to: Wifibrains

Two monks were arguing over wind one Fall. One was saying it was the flag moving the wind, one was saying it was the wind moving the flag, the zen master quickly walked past and spoke thus: Tis Mind is moving. At that point he vanished and one of them enlightened.

Show/tell me why, and I'll reel you in.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Bluesma
Do you believe that you have freewill?

No. But I have the ability to experience as if I do.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Bluesma
Do you believe that you have freewill?

No. But I have the ability to experience as if I do.

tis so tis so... the above question waits for no one in particular as I fall to the ground.

a reply to: Wifibrains

a flag waves still and soylent and speak of the past and this post reminds me last.

I need to carry my plate and do laundry.

The spiritual technical term “detachment” has to do with being inwardly free from the entanglements of the world.


All hell brakes loose around him and people are running around like chickens in a fire or other kind of incident and the spiritual adept is calm and sober.

That is the meaning of detachment.

It has nothing to do with apathy towards suffering

The word inwardly is key

The adept is inwardly ecstatic but outwardly sober.

At the zen masters reply one of the monks scoffed to himself, "never, get out of here" or something to that effect, then with the zen masters disapearence, he knew... Indeed 'twas mind moving.

reel me in! I'm hooked.

The reason why detachment is necessary is that the seeker has to learn to observe without involving his inner nervous system with everything around him like an automaton

That’s one reason Zen Buddhists do Zazen.

Just meditate and observe yourself but don’t get attached to whatever phenomenal thought you’re expressing…just watch it-- note it objectively-- and see it rise and fall.

Over time the person will learn inner calm because like most humans there not responding to every stimuli like a machine


The Sufis say:

Baraka ( blessings) only descend on the empty house

a reply to: Willtell

I get this. My only pointed observation is, how humorous it is that a monk is looked to as an example or guide in such development, by people who do not live in monastary, celebate, childless, with regular prayer and meditation time provided and protected, outside of the pressures and challenges modern life pose, to the realization of such a state.

It's like looking to a swimmer to coach and train you for a triathlon.

The development of this internal state is more challenging to reach while you are facing things like watching your two year old child get hit by a car, for example.

originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Bluesma
Do you believe that you have freewill?

No. But I have the ability to experience as if I do.

Who is this 'I' which you refer to? Is it the 'I' (eye) that sees or is it the 'person' that is being seen and experienced?
What you really are is the all seeing, all knowing I (consciousness) which is just seeing a movie happening. The seer can get Identified with the body/mind and think that it is doing the body/mind - it isn't doing the body/mind - the body/mind is just a happening within consciousness.

What happens simply happens and you are the witness of it.
You are not in front of the camera - you are behind it. The real you does not appear in the movie. The seer of the movie (play of life) cannot do anything but be aware of what is happening.
There is only the present and it is happening.

Can there be an awareness of the next thought before it happens?

a reply to: Wifibrains

tis spring Monday morning try again next fall





So bai