Boris Nemtsov (Putin Critic) killed in the center of Moscow

originally posted by: JonStone
I can't believe everybody is still playing the he said/she said game on this. Those asking for evidence if it was or was not Putin who ordered the hit, there is no evidence for either side. However, we are not trying to determine guilt here, we ...........................................................................................................................he side that believes Putin did not do this, personally i'm not buying their argument that he had no motive (which seems to be the strongest argument), and there is no evidence. This is true, no solid evidence, but these same people don't seem to have a problem accusing the CIA or Kyiv without evidence either. The same says Kyiv shot down MH17, again no evidence, there is actually more evidence that favors the opposing party. The missile did appear to come from the location of a Russian Grad, which was .........................................................................................of them. I don't know if Putin did it, but my OPINION says he could have, this would be small stuff compared to the war he waged in Ukraine. He had the motive, the track record, the suspition factor and the means. This doesn't mean he did it, but it is why many believe he was capable of doing it. For Putin supporters, no amount of evidence................................................................................ to speculate, even to the point of arguing, but some folks need to calm down and stop being so sensitive.

The speculation and bashing may now resume.

Brevity is next to Godliness....

This seems to cover why some are so suspitious, some of which we covered in this thread.

Putin promptly called Nemtsov’s mother to offer his condolences and threw what seemed like the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs on the case. Yet we can be sure that the investigation will lead precisely nowhere. At most, some sad sap, the supposed trigger-puller, will be hauled in front of a judge, the scapegoat for someone far more powerful. More likely, the case will founder for years amid promises that everyone is working hard, and no one will be brought to justice at all. This has been the pattern for other high-profile killings, like those of the journalist Anna Politkovskaya and the whistle-blower Sergei Magnitsky.

Already, the Kremlin is muddying the waters. Immediately after the shooting, Putin’s press secretary called the killing “a provocation.” This morning, he clarified that there was no political motive behind the murder. LifeNews, a publication with close ties to Russia’s security agencies, has suggested three possible theories that are under investigation: The killing might have been revenge for forcing Duritskaya to get an abortion; it might have had something to do with money Nemtsov was receiving from allies abroad; or it might have been an attempt to smear the Kremlin. By afternoon, the government’s Investigative Committee had issued a statement saying it believed Nemtsov may have been killed by someone from his own opposition movement who wanted to create a martyr. There was even a suggestion that the assassination was connected to the Charlie Hebdo killings.

Even if one of these theories were true, none of Moscow’s embattled liberals would be convinced. “I will never believe it,” Yevgenia Albats, editor of the liberal magazine New Times and an old friend of Nemtsov, told me. “This is not about some domestic affair. These were absolute professionals.” Ilya Yashin, a member of Nemtsov’s Solidarity Party, was of the same mind. “It’s totally obvious for me that it’s a political killing,” he said. “I don’t have the slightest doubt about that.” Maxim Katz, another opposition activist, claimed on Twitter that, any way you slice it, Putin is responsible: “If he ordered it, then he’s guilty as the orderer. And even if he didn’t, then [he is responsible] as the inciter of hatred, hysteria, and anger among the people.”

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If this is actual footage of the murder than it was definitely planned and executed by an organized group who could get access to city vehicles. Youll see what appears to be a street sweeper follow nemtsov when it reaches him suddenly our assassin appears. He immediately runs into the street just as a vehicle pulls up between traffic lights no traffic. This was obviously done with radio communication. And im immediately ruling out someone mad at him this was a professional hit. Do to the fact the police hasnt discussed the city vehicle with flashing lights im guessing cover up is in full swing.

a reply to: dragonridr

Interesting Theory, but what role did the street sweeper play, other than following the target?

originally posted by: JonStone
a reply to: dragonridr

Interesting Theory, but what role did the street sweeper play, other than following the target?

Watch the video when it arrives at the couple the assassin suddenly shows up from no where. Either he was in the truck or walked along side it. But notice at the beginning the street sweeper seems to wait before it moves forward to meet the couple. Also with how close he was to the shooting the driver had to see and hear something but he continues like nothing happened.

a reply to: dragonridr

It's possible. Those sweepers can be loud, but then again, he was never questioned and the drivers are usually quite aware of their surroundings. What surprises me is that there should be more video footage, that entire area is supposed to be covered with cameras, most government controlled i'm sure. But if the purpose of the truck was to carry the suspect, what was the purpose of the white car? A ploy to throw everyone off? Either way it did look very well planned, this wasn't just a random shooter for sure.

Wait I see it. Maybe on the sweeper, firing the shots, and then jumping into the getaway car.

a reply to: dragonridr

This is just part of the video

Later on there are many strange things.

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a reply to: kitzik

What other strange things are we looking for?

originally posted by: JonStone
a reply to: dragonridr

It's possible. Those sweepers can be loud, but then again, he was never questioned and the drivers are usually quite aware of their surroundings. What surprises me is that there should be more video footage, that entire area is supposed to be covered with cameras, most government controlled i'm sure. But if the purpose of the truck was to carry the suspect, what was the purpose of the white car? A ploy to throw everyone off? Either way it did look very well planned, this wasn't just a random shooter for sure.

A street sweeper can wait hold up traffic no one thinks twice. If you notice the murder wad timed between traffic lights as well. Watch the get away car he sneaks past the light and makes sure there is no cars in front of him for get away.

Reason why is they run the risk of cars stopping in the street if they see the murder making driving away difficult.

a reply to: dragonridr

Also watched kitzik's video, it is strange. The sweeper is definately playing a role. Only thing is, After the event, the sweeper stops, then pulls off and a car backs up in the middle of traffic, then it looks like another exchange. The last car looks like a cop before it switches to the news.

originally posted by: JonStone
a reply to: dragonridr

Also watched kitzik's video, it is strange. The sweeper is definately playing a role. Only thing is, After the event, the sweeper stops, then pulls off and a car backs up in the middle of traffic, then it looks like another exchange. The last car looks like a cop before it switches to the news.

Yeah as I watch it there is no way that street sweeper wasn't involved in the murder. Meaning this took planning nit to mention had to know he'd be there. So people would obviously be tailing him as well meaning alot of people are involved.

a reply to: dragonridr

ABC news showed footage of the white car heading to the crime scene, followed by a black sedan ABC News

a reply to: JonStone

Looking at the same video, maybe a little clearer, do you see a man waiting for the target? I think i see a guy standing there, then the snow truck blocks, then the shooting happens and the guy runs to the getaway car. I just can't tell if there was a guy already there or if he came off the snow truck. Also, it's a snow removal truck, but I don't see any snow. If he was waiting, the use of the truck could have been to provide cover, otherwise the killer could have been on it.

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a reply to: victor7

Nice change of subject.

a reply to: JonStone

So what made you come back a week ago after your 3 year absence?

I believe USA was happier and more comfortable with status-quo actors in charge after the "revolution". Definitely, as was said, the US compromised the democracy process to produce the most favourable outcome.

However, the US/West merely has to deal with whomever emerges from the mucky process in Russia, and Russia's leaders have failed them....again.

a reply to: dragonridr

Do to the fact the police hasnt discussed the city vehicle with flashing lights im guessing cover up is in full swing.

It was hardly a day old when you said that. You really think it's normal for the police to share every lead they are looking at with the media, on day one?

That is such nonsense.

And btw, it's spelled due, for future reference.

a reply to: MasterMaximum

I saw something of interest after a google search result? what does this have to do with the tea in China? Comments like that only say that you're reaching.