Britain first activists chase Muslim pedophiles off the streets of Newcastle

Man thank # Christians and Jews dont actualy believe in their religion anymore.

Should also probably be noted Britain First are a bunch of crazy fascist right wingers.

It used to be OK.
Now it's not.
Get over it.
Religion has nothing to do with it. Just because it is normally associated with Islam because of Aisha, does not mean that it didn't happen elsewhere and in other faiths.
It is wrong now because of the "innocence" of children these days.
Back then, kids had to grow up fast, in every aspect of life.
Nowadays, it is considered stealing the innocence of a child. Back then, the kid was not considered innocent, or even a child... they were at the age that they started families at, so that's what they did.
Also, they guy says "if she's mature" Not "if she acts mature"
Big difference.

The OP and that lady in the video are joke. Where's the proof for "promoting child pornography" ? Best you can do is dance around a false hadith and claim you're somehow "fighting" paedophilia by screaming "THIS IS ISLAM!, HE MARRIED A SIX YEAR OLD" at some random guy handing out leaflets. Want to actually fight paedophilia? Don't look too far, Westminster is infested with them.

originally posted by: Boeing777
The OP and that lady in the video are joke. Where's the proof for "promoting child pornography" ? Best you can do is dance around a false hadith and claim you're somehow "fighting" paedophilia by screaming "THIS ISLAM!, HE MARRIED A SIX YEAR OLD" at some random guy handing out leaflets. Want to actually fight paedophilia? Don't look too far, Westminster is infested with them.

The random guy saying its Okay for an adult to marry a 12 year old..............

I guess you're fine with him saying that though.

These people who are vocal about the muslim pedophiles are strangely silent about the native pedophiles in power. I wonder why.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

It's heartbreaking to think of this disgusting child abuse pedophilia being past off as "normal" within this religion... Very sad and very disturbing.

And that woman in this video has a valid point, why were they not arrested for promoting child pornography?

Anyway, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled that this is allowed to happen in any country, it's beyond sick!

Considering the originator of the religion was, himself, a pedophile, is this surprising?

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

It's heartbreaking to think of this disgusting child abuse pedophilia being past off as "normal" within this religion... Very sad and very disturbing.

And that woman in this video has a valid point, why were they not arrested for promoting child pornography?

Anyway, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled that this is allowed to happen in any country, it's beyond sick!

Considering the originator of the religion was, himself, a pedophile, is this surprising?

You can believe whatever you want, the truth is clear from falsehood. I've already addressed this fabricated so called "hadith".

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

It's heartbreaking to think of this disgusting child abuse pedophilia being past off as "normal" within this religion... Very sad and very disturbing.

And that woman in this video has a valid point, why were they not arrested for promoting child pornography?

Anyway, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled that this is allowed to happen in any country, it's beyond sick!

Considering the originator of the religion was, himself, a pedophile, is this surprising?

You can believe whatever you want, the truth is clear from falsehood. I've already addressed this fabricated so called "hadith".

So Mohammad did not take a 9 year old wife?

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

It's heartbreaking to think of this disgusting child abuse pedophilia being past off as "normal" within this religion... Very sad and very disturbing.

And that woman in this video has a valid point, why were they not arrested for promoting child pornography?

Anyway, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled that this is allowed to happen in any country, it's beyond sick!

Considering the originator of the religion was, himself, a pedophile, is this surprising?

You can believe whatever you want, the truth is clear from falsehood. I've already addressed this fabricated so called "hadith".

So Mohammad did not take a 9 year old wife?

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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

It's heartbreaking to think of this disgusting child abuse pedophilia being past off as "normal" within this religion... Very sad and very disturbing.

And that woman in this video has a valid point, why were they not arrested for promoting child pornography?

Anyway, I am absolutely disgusted and appalled that this is allowed to happen in any country, it's beyond sick!

Considering the originator of the religion was, himself, a pedophile, is this surprising?

You can believe whatever you want, the truth is clear from falsehood. I've already addressed this fabricated so called "hadith".

So Mohammad did not take a 9 year old wife? The illogic lies in "if you don't yell about Bob for stealing a car, you can't yell about Sam for robbing a bank is false.

originally posted by: Boeing777
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Justifications but not refutations.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Boeing777
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Justifications but not refutations.

I've put in enough evidence to refute your hadith.

a reply to: Boeing777

Stop trying to justify pedophilia. Its disgusting.

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Boeing777
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Justifications but not refutations.

I've put in enough evidence to refute your hadith.

No you haven't. You just link to another thread where you express your OPINION. That is not proof.

But even as little as 100 years ago, 12 year olds married men and had children in the west.
It's only in very recent history that things like age of consent even came about.
Similar things happened with young girls all throughout history.... it doesn't make it right, moral or decent... but it did happen, right acrsos the world, not a Muslim specific issue or a Middle East region issue either.
The life expectancy was probably about 30 so as soon as people were able to bear children, they did.

That was just how it was.

We don't live in that world any more and I'm glad.

We don't know whether the guy in the video was saying it was OK back then, or OK now to do it... because the woman just went off at him and maybe the footage didn't show the whole exchange.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Boeing777
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Justifications but not refutations.

I've put in enough evidence to refute your hadith.

No you haven't. You just link to another thread where you express your OPINION. That is not proof.

EVIDENCE # 2 Betrothal

According to Tabari (also according to Hisham ibn ‘urwah, Ibn Hunbal and Ibn Sad), Ayesha was betrothed at seven years of age and began to cohabit with Prophet at the age of nine years. However, in another work, Al- Tabari says:

"All four of his [Abu Bakr's] children were born of his two wives -- the names of

whom we have already mentioned -- during the pre-Islamic period."(REF: Tarikhu'l-umam wa'l-mamlu'k, Al-Tabari (died 922), Vol. 4, p. 50, Arabic, Dara'l-fikr, Beirut, 1979)



If Ayesha was betrothed in 620 CE (at the age of 7 years) and started to live with Prophet in 624 CE or 2 AH (at the age of nine years), she was born in 613 CE [(Year of living with Prophet MINUS Ayesha’a age at that time of living with Prophet EQUALS the date of birth of Ayesha (624CE – 9 yrs = 613 CE)]. So, based on one account of Al-Tabari the numbers show that Ayesha must have born (613 CE) three years after the beginning of revelation (610 CE). And yet another place Tabari says that Ayesha was born in Pre-Islamic time (in Jahilliyyah). If she were born in pre-Islamic time (before 610 CE), she would have be at least 14 years old. So, Tabari contradicts himself.

CONCLUSION: Al-Tabari is unreliable in the matter of determining Ayesha’s age.

EVIDENCE # 3 The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Fathima.



According to According to Ibn Hajar,

“ Fatimah (ra) was born at the time the Ka`bah was rebuilt, when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old... she (Fatimah) was five years older that Ayesha (ra).” (REF: Al-isabah fi tamyizi'l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol. 4, P. 377, Maktabatu'l-Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978)



So, based on Ibn Hajar, Fathima was born when Prophet was 35 years old and Ayesha was 5 years younger than Fathima. If Ibn Hajar’s statement is factual, Ayesha was born when Prophet was forty years old (Prophet’s age at the birth of Fathima PLUS 5 years = 40 years). If Ayesha was married to Prophet when he was 52 years old, Ayesha’ age at marriage would be 12 years [(Prophet’s age at the time of marriage MINUS Prophet’s age at Ayesha’s birth (52 yrs – 40 years = 12 yrs)].



CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar, Tabari an Ibn Hisham and Ibn Humbal contradict each other. So, the marriage of Ayesha at seven years of age is a myth.

EVIDENCE # 4 The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Asma

According to Abda'l-Rahman ibn abi zanna'd:

“Asma (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha. (REF: Siyar A`la'ma'l-nubala', Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu'assasatu'l-risalah, Beirut, 1992)



According to Ibn Kathir:

"She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by ten years". (REF: Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)



According to Ibn Kathir:

"She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year [i.e. 73 AH], as we have already mentioned, and five days later she herself died. According to other narratives she died not after five days but ten or twenty or a few days over twenty or a hundred days later. The most well known narrative is that of hundred days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old." (REF: Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir (died 1333), Vol. 8, Pg. 372, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)



According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani:

"She [Asma (ra)] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH." (REF: Taqribu'l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, Pg 654, Arabic, Bab fi'l-nisa', al-harfu'l-alif, Lucknow)



According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijra [ Asma’s age MINUS 73 hijrah EQUALS the age of Asma at the time of Hijrah( 100 – 73 or 74 = 27 or 28)].



If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah, Ayesha (ra), being younger by 10 years, should have been 17 or 18 years old [Asma’s age at the time of Hijarah MINUS the age difference between Asma and Ayesha EQUALS the age of Ayesha at the time of Hijarh (27 or 28 –10 = 17 or 18 yrs)]. Thus, Ayesha (ra), being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with Prophet between 19 to 20 years old (The Age of Ayesha at the time of Hijra + the year of Ayesha cohabiting with Prophet (19-20 + 1-2 Hijra) = The Age of Ayesha when she cohabit with Prophet (19 or 20 years).



Based on Hajar, Ibn Katir, and Abda'l-Rahman ibn abi zanna'd, age of Ayesha at the time living with Prophet would be 19or 20 years. In evidence # 3, Ibn Hajar suggests that Ayesha is 12 years old and in evidence # 4 he contradicts himself with a seventeen or eighteen-year-old Ayesha (ra). What is the correct age, twelve or eighteen?

CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar is an unreliable source for Ayesha’s age.

EVIDENCE # 5 Battles of Badr and Uhud

A narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) participation in Badr is given in Muslim, Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-siyar, Bab karahiyati'l-isti`anah fi'l-ghazwi bikafir. Ayesha (ra) while narrating the journey to Badr and one of the important events that took place in that journey says: "when we reached Shajarah". It is quite obvious from these words that Ayesha (ra) was with the group travelling towards Badr.

A narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) participation in the battle of `uhud is given in Bukhari, Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-siyar, Bab Ghazwi'l-nisa' wa qitalihinna ma`a'lrijal:

"Anas reports that On the day of Uhud, people could not stand their ground

around the Prophet (pbuh). [On that day,] I saw Ayesha (ra) and Umm-i-Sulaim

(ra), they had pulled their dress up from their feet [to avoid any hindrance in their movement]."

CONCLUSION: Ayesha (ra) was present in the battles of Uhud and Badr.



It is narrated in Bukhari, Kitabu'l-maghazi, Bab ghazwati'l-khandaq wa hiya'l-ahza'b:

"Ibn `umar (ra) states that the Prophet (pbuh) did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was fourteen years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was fifteen years old, the Prophet (pbuh) permitted my participation."



Summary: Based on the above narratives, (a) the children below 15 years were sent back and were not allowed to participate in the battle of `uhud, (b) Ayesha participated in the battles of Badr and Uhud



CONCLUSION: Ayesha's (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine old but at least 15 years old or older. After all, women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden on them. This account is another contradiction about Ayesha’s age.

EVIDANCE # 6 Surat al Qamar

According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha (ra) was born about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) Ayesha (ra) is reported to have said:



"I was a young girl (jariyah)" when Surah Al-Qamar was revealed. (REF: Sahih Bukhari, kitabu'l-tafsir, Bab Qaulihi Bal al-sa`atu Maw`iduhum wa'l-sa`atu adha' wa amarr)

The 54th surah of the Qur'an was revealed eight years before Hijrah (REF: The Bounteous Koran, M.M. Khatib, 1985). So, it was revealed in 614 CE [Year of Hijrah MINUS year of revelation of Al Qamar (622 CE – 8 = 614 CE)]. If Ayesha started living with Prophet (pbuh) at the age of nine in 623 CE or 624 CE, she was a newborn infant (a sibyah) [Year of Ayesha living with Prophet MINUS age of Ayesha when she started to live with Prophet (623 CE or 624 CE– 9 years=614 0r 615) at the time the Surah Al-Qamar was revealed.



According to the above tradition, Ayesha (ra) was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) in the year of revelation of Al Qamar. “Jariyah” means young playful girl (Lane’s Arabic English Lexicon). So, Ayesha, being a Jariyah not a sibyah (infant), must be somewhere between 6-13 years at the time of revelation of Al-Qamar, and thereby she must have been 14-21 years (6-13 + 8= 14-21 years) at the time she married Prophet.

CONCLUSION: This tradition also contradicts the marriage of Ayesha at the age of nine.

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All you're doing is putting glitter and perfume on a turd.

originally posted by: blupblup

We don't know whether the guy in the video was saying it was OK back then, or OK now to do it... because the woman just went off at him and maybe the footage didn't show the whole exchange.

The guy in the video clearly states that if the "12 year old is mature enough then its okay for them to marry an adult"

a reply to: Boeing777

So you are saying the Hadiths are lies? Many an Islamic scholar would disagree with that.