Not long left till the end.. Prophetic warning signs

a reply to: cooperton

Hey! Look at that! An internet is the mark of the devil claim. I've seen that nonsense before too. You can try to argue all you want about this, but at the end of the day your failed prophecy doesn't line up to how cell phones are used no matter how similar it is to the prophecy. Prophecies are supposed to be accurate not vague.

You disproved your own theory with your quoted bible text and are now back-peddling to keep in line. You are right, all these prophecies fail to take into account the mark of the beast line and the mark of the beast prophecy has NEVER been fulfilled.

originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I already explained the etymology of forehead and right hand in my prior posts so you can refer to that again.

Also, 666 in the Hebrew alphabet is www. www, or world wide web, is the media through which your phones will be the main tool for transactions.

"Here is the wisdom! He who is having the understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for the number of a man it is, and its number [is] 666" (Revelations 13:18)

What more evidence do you want ?

Maybe some actual evidence. If they W's back then, why call it a number, why change it to 6, and why not describe it with any real detail. You say they didn't know they were called phones, convenient, but ok, than how the hell did they know some obscure fact like it has an internet app that use www to get the right web page? Why would that, of all things, be what they choose to codify and use to describe it?

originally posted by: flammadraco
You honestly believe that sane folk should believe in a book written by "man" who believed the Sun was Magic and the Earth was flat, and yet religious folk from all religions are still killing each other in the name of their religion.

Was this meant to be a question?

If it's just a statement about what I think it is incorrect!

How did you come to this conclusion about me?

a reply to: TechUnique

Here is my problem with fear mongers like you; When I was a kid being raised in a Pentecostal church I heard fear mongers, like you, speaking the same rhetoric. It was in the late 70's and early 80's when we were conflicted with the middle east. I lived in so much fear, due to their words, of the end of the world that it was hard to function.
It's in the Bible, Matthew 24:36, NIV. "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

originally posted by: cooperton
What more evidence do you want ?

Care to take a crack at explaining these verses?

What more evidence do you want that it's never gonna happen?

The naysayers will never understand...The biblical prohecies of Daniel Jeremiah from ancient Babylon have come true through out history...They are very specific and verifiable...The purpose of the videos are not to spread fear but to say " Hey , look at whats happening around you!! do you not see? "

I believe thats a Jason A video....Round Saturns Eye has some good ones too that explains the Cult of Saturn matrix we find ourselves in, how the machine works, and explains many other things as well...All the satanic commericals car maker Lincoln/nissan, celebrities, etc are putting out should make it obvious who's running the show here folks...You're just engaging in willful ignorance and have not studied anything...

Yes, live a good life, love and help one another, try and live for a better day...I absolutely agree with all of this 100% ..Sending a good vibe is needed but to me thats not even bare minimum of whats required to get through this open world prison we currently exist in. MORE is required of you, but to each their own....

There are 2 ( physcial/spiritual) deaths you know...so in your opnion which one was he referring to..?

originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I already explained the etymology of forehead and right hand in my prior posts so you can refer to that again.

Also, 666 in the Hebrew alphabet is www. www, or world wide web, is the media through which your phones will be the main tool for transactions.

"Here is the wisdom! He who is having the understanding, let him count the number of the beast, for the number of a man it is, and its number [is] 666" (Revelations 13:18)

What more evidence do you want ?

Why is it 616 in some version then?

Because 666 / 616 is a code for Nero Caesar. Jewish Kabbalah doesn't work the way you describe it. You have to sum up the letters.

Nron Qsr

The Greek version of the name and title transliterates into Hebrew as נרון קסר, and yields a numerical value of 666, as shown:

Resh (ר) Samekh (ס) Qoph (ק) Nun (נ) Vav (ו) Resh (ר) Nun (נ)
200 60 100 50 6 200 50

Sum 666


Nro Qsr

The Latin version of the name drops the second Nun (נ), so that it appears as Nro and transliterates into Hebrew as נרו קסר, yielding 616:

Resh (ר) Samekh (ס) Qoph (ק) Vav (ו) Resh (ר) Nun (נ)
200 60 100 6 200 50

Sum 616

Revelation is already fulfilled, apocalyptic literature is used as a way to criticize powers without doing overtly so you don't get censored. Like fables and satiric literature.

The futurist interpretation of Revelation is BS from gullible and uneducated people, it's completely marginal, it's just such wackos shout the louder.

A common preterist view of the Mark of the Beast (focusing on the past) is the stamped image of the emperor's head on every coin of the Roman Empire: the stamp on the hand or in the mind of all, without which no one could buy or sell. New Testament scholar Craig C. Hill says, "It is far more probable that the mark symbolizes the all-embracing economic power of Rome, whose very coinage bore the emperor's image and conveyed his claims to divinity (e.g., by including the sun's rays in the ruler's portrait). It had become increasingly difficult for Christians to function in a world in which public life, including the economic life of the trade guilds, required participation in idolatry."

Adela Yarbro Collins further denotes that the refusal to use Roman coins resulted in the condition where "no man might buy or sell" (Rev.13:17).

A similar view is offered by Craig R. Koester. "As sales were made, people used coins that bore the images of Rome's gods and emperors. Thus each transaction that used such coins was a reminder that people were advancing themselves economically by relying on political powers that did not recognize the true God."

In 66, when Nero was emperor—about the time some scholars say Revelation was written—the Jews revolted against Rome and coined their own money.

Some of the main tenets of Christianity, I thought, are love and forgiveness... is it loving to dwell on mass death and destruction? Does it forgive?

Doesn't seem so to me... seems more like control mechanisms of a club based on fear.

It makes me sad.

a reply to: TechUnique

You have presented...(a lot of food for thought)...and the passage you quoted in (Timothy) reminds me so much of many people that live in this time now.

The world has been "ending" since time began. I don't understand why people keep referring to two thousand year old texts trying to explain things happening in modern times. Does anyone stop and think about how stupid that is? The only thing that's the same today that it was 2000 years ago is people believing that there's some dude in the sky who supposedly created everything but still needs stuff. Go figure.

originally posted by: Develo

Revelation is already fulfilled, apocalyptic literature is used as a way to criticize powers without doing overtly so you don't get censored. Like fables and satiric literature.

Actually, Revelations blatantly detests kings of the earth.

"Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries." (Revelations 17:1-2)

"Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh." (Revelations 19:19-21)

^^^in revelations the kings of the earth are blatantly criticized, so this leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about when you say that it was a way of cryptically criticizing powers.

***also, you're quoting from wikipedia, looks like you did some deep research on the topic

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: flammadraco

In contrast, how many deaths is Satan responsible that are on record? Job's family and servants. That's it. And that's if you don't consider it to be just a story. Either way though, he had permission from God. In all actuality Satan can't do anything without God's permission anyway.

That is correct, the 'Boss' allows/tolerates Satan's existence *shenanigans*.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

those passages you quote are very troubling for me hahaha. I had the same question you did when I first read it. I don't know. There is a lot of indecipherable stuff in the Bible. Keep in mind it went through multiple language translations, and also 2000 some years ago life was different than ours today, making it difficult to have a complete translation. Not to mention despotic leaders may have altered it at their discretion to fool the masses.

Regardless, a majority of the word continues to hold true. My favorite example is the big bang, this is expressed in Genesis 1:3 "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.". These biblical writers, without the hubble telescope, somehow (Divine inspiration) knew that light inexplicably came to be out of nothing, and in this fashion our universe was created. In Genesis 1:2 in Young's Literal Translation, God is described as a fluttering (meaning pulsating) being. A pulsating object is the cause of vibration, or waves. We now know that everything is a waveform energy, even matter, which is super dense energy (E = mc^2).

To get to my point... If it ever comes to be that you cannot buy or sell things without your phone (which would fulfill the prophecy), maybe consider that this prophecy about the NEARING (not the exact day, which is said to be unknowable) of end-times is soon, and Divinely inspired.

originally posted by: cooperton
those passages you quote are very troubling for me hahaha. I had the same question you did when I first read it. I don't know. There is a lot of indecipherable stuff in the Bible. Keep in mind it went through multiple language translations, and also 2000 some years ago life was different than ours today, making it difficult to have a complete translation. Not to mention despotic leaders may have altered it at their discretion to fool the masses.

Or alternatively and more likely it's just a mythology. I do not doubt though, that in some places, and at certain times, there were people who altered the Bible to fit their agenda to fool the masses. Ofc our opinions at this point go in opposite directions. Yours of the belief the trickery to steer people away, mine that it was to steer them in. I have not looked up those particular verses in their original form though I would wager the translations wouldn't alter the meaning very much. For the record, the versions I quoted were from NKJV.

Regardless, a majority of the word continues to hold true. My favorite example is the big bang, this is expressed in Genesis 1:3 "And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.". These biblical writers, without the hubble telescope, somehow (Divine inspiration) knew that light inexplicably came to be out of nothing, and in this fashion our universe was created. In Genesis 1:2 in Young's Literal Translation, God is described as a fluttering (meaning pulsating) being. A pulsating object is the cause of vibration, or waves. We now know that everything is a waveform energy, even matter, which is super dense energy (E = mc^2).

With all do respect, please do not try and tell me the Bible has knowledge of things that could not have been known at the time without divine inspiration. The Bible does not reference the big bang! Also, there was not absolutely nothing before the big bang. You're trying to tell me the Bible through divine inspiration knew about the big bang but then immediately failed to get things right such as claiming the moon gives off light? Or the impossible order of creation?

Sure, I will give you that there are things in the Bible you can't point to and say they sound like similar concepts in science today but to claim that's what they actually represent is a stretch imo. I would need more evidence. Not things that could be interpreted a myriad of ways.

So correct me if I'm wrong but what I've gathered from you so far is this: You will take the things in the Bible that ring true, or feel like they ring true, as divinely inspired. The rest which doesn't make sense or obviously could not be accurate must be the result of errors in translation and/or tomfoolery on TPTB's part?

Anyway, thanks for your reply and opinions.



ETA: See you made a thread. I will move there in regards to the topic of science and the Bible.

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a reply to: cooperton

Criticizing "kings" without citing places or names is indeed a way to not get caught blatantly criticizing.

This kind of literature already existed before Revelation. There is nothing fresh or unique about that bit of the Bible, and nothing supporting a futurist interpretation neither.

a reply to: cooperton

This posts shows you don't understand what the big bang hypothesis is, only that you have a popular understanding of it.

Also there is no reason to read Genesis literally, it is only a creation myth like you have hundreds others. Nothing divinely inspired about it, only symbolism.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: flammadraco

In contrast, how many deaths is Satan responsible that are on record? Job's family and servants. That's it. And that's if you don't consider it to be just a story. Either way though, he had permission from God. In all actuality Satan can't do anything without God's permission anyway.

That is correct, the 'Boss' allows/tolerates Satan's existence *shenanigans*.

No, actually satan is proposed to hold the power of death:

"Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil" (Hebrews 2:14)