Let's just sit here and let our kids get abused.

THESE are death penalty crimes to me. If someone messes wit a child just shoot them already

a reply to: TrueBrit

I normally agree with you, but I'm not totally for what you're saying here. Mainly because i have a huge beef with the so-called justice system as it stands anyways. One of the main terms you used was reasonable doubt. Thats a matter of perception. Whats reasonable to me may not be to someone else, and its a fundamental flaw in a system chock full of them. The justice system itself is part of this monster of a conspiracy and CANNOT be trusted to take action against others involved in it.

Something really needs to happen with this. It is tainting all of humanity. It's also interwoven with other conspiracies. If you could catch the high-up members of these groups who are into this, you've most likely got your controllers for the rest of the worlds problems too, i would assume. They dont need a trial by jury, they need some sharia law style justice.

a reply to: Bundy

Well Bundy, this is one of those moments where we realise that we do not have to agree with one another, in order to respect one another.

Believe you me, I am not in any way protective of the justice system as it stands today. It is prone to abuse, prone to failure through the ignorance of jurors, the corruption of the same, the flaws and corruptions carried by judges, lawyers, and of course, those who write the law which is enforced in this country.

However, the reasonable doubt measure was put in place to prevent the innocent from going to jail for a crime they had nothing to do with. It was constructed on the basis that it was better that the guilty go free, than the innocent suffer harm at the hands of the justice system.

Now, I am all too aware that the basic principle I have just outlined, is not upheld by a system which locks people up for posession of some illicit plant material, or fails to pay for certain licenses and what have you, but finds it hard to deal with things like domestic abuse, child abuse, and commercialised tax evasion or avoidance. But what some are suggesting, which seems to be tantamount to immediately locking up/butchering anyone who is even MENTIONED in a case like this, is simply not an answer to any question worth hearing, let alone composing a response to.

The idea that evidence CANNOT be found against ANYONE in the establishment who might have committed a sexual offence against a minor is very much in question in my view. Think about the number of people involved, the number of professional traffickers, underworld figures, fixers, and henchmen that must have been involved over the years. Statistically, it is impossible that not one single person who saw something going on as a witness rather than as a victim, would be prepared to speak out. Not enough effort has been made to locate these people, to identify and question them.

I am also eager to hear what the results of the new inquiry into these matters will be, because I find it likely that with the new hand at the tiller, the lady from New Zealand, things will start to get decidedly difficult for those who had any connection with these events, no matter how small. She seems the sort of woman who will summon the god damned postman to answer questions, if she thinks it will help, let alone any other characters that might have been named in a testimony.

The law may well be an ass, on that we can all agree. However, resetting the law to the point where it was previous to the assumption of innocence until proof of guilt has been established, is not the solution which will provide the best outcomes for this country, and no matter how harrowing the cases we are discussing are, the importance of that assumption of innocence does not change.

If assuming guilt was enough to lock a person up, I would have been locked up for everything from serial murder to terrorism, purely because of what I look like, and for no other reason. People look at me, and either experience terror, confusion, amusement, or revulsion, and sometimes all of the above at once. People in times past have been locked up for "looking the sort" to have committed a burglary, a murder, a rape, or a serious assault.

Moving backward into the dark ages is tempting when rage is induced by the sickness of certain people, and that feeling is understandable. But wrecking our country in order to remove the rot from it defeats the object somewhat in my opinion.

I do understand anyone who is not able to share that viewpoint, since I know how emotive this subject is, and I apologise if my rationale does not seem to contain enough inchoate fury at what has been done to children, by the powerful and famous figures we have already heard accused. Believe me, I am angry at the mere possibility that even one sentence, one word, one single bit of PUNCTUATION in the accusations being made, could be true. I cannot imagine how it would effect me if something horrid like these cases mentioned in the OP befell my son.

But I do not know how to turn my reasoning mind off, even when my fire is up, and as brightly as anyone might burn on this issue, and understandably so, I do not believe it wise to abandon reason in the face of the events which have been coming to light of late. Indeed, I believe reason is the only legitimate tool to use, to finally put the villains to bed, and sort the mess that is the law out so that this sort of thing cannot happen unreported ever again.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I am also eager to hear what the results of the new inquiry into these matters will be, because I find it likely that with the new hand at the tiller, the lady from New Zealand, things will start to get decidedly difficult for those who had any connection with these events, no matter how small. She seems the sort of woman who will summon the god damned postman to answer questions, if she thinks it will help, let alone any other characters that might have been named in a testimony.

She was appointed by Theresa May unfortunately so she will tow the line and not turn over any rocks which will reveal the truth.