Christians will burn in hell for claiming jesus to be their savior

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Yeshua taught faith without works is dead. Paul taught faith in Jesus name matters more regardless of what I do.

Thats simply untrue.

"9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

a reply to: ketsuko

They should. Their missing out on the good stuff.

a reply to: LongishLongo

There is no Hell, or burning place of forever torment, people on ATS need to start to learn to separate that from the fact God does exist. Tying the belief of the existence of "Hell" to the belief of the existence of God, is a idealogical trap to a critical thinker. As it was always designed to be.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33

There is no Hell, or burning place of forever torment, people on ATS need to start to learn to separate that from the fact God does exist.

God did not create Hell, nor did He ever threaten anyone with anything worse than simple death. It is carnal men who lust for their personal enemies to suffer for ever. Even the Lake of Fire is designated "The Second Death," so it is more merciful than punishing. The real, little-understood purpose of the Lake of Fire is to cleanse and purify, not punish. The Hell-idolater just can not get around the stated fact that Death and the Grave are to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and how can anyone be dead and in Hell after that? Any theology which leads to such absurdities must be false.

a reply to: Rex282

They are right and very wrong.The defintion of the word “hell” which is translated from the Greek word Hades is not a place of endless punishment.Hades (and the Hebrew word sheol) mean the grave..the realm of death and imperception. So the undeniable fact is everyone will be going to Hades when they die.However that Hades has absolutely zero to do with the Christian doctrine of the endless punishment of hell. The doctrine of hells sole purpose is to constrain those that wouldn’t not naturally act moral and ethically but need to be compelled. Unfortunately they are the same ones that preach it.The downside for them is they will submit to the 2nd death in the lake of fire(also neither hell or hades) where their religious carnal mind(satan..the adversary) will be destroyed.

Your close but not quite right Rex.

Sheol is the neither world of conscious spirits of dead souls. It is not the grave of unconsciousness as you infer. The grave is the earth where the soul returns to its source and becomes united forever with the elements from which it was taken.

Hell is the Greek word for the Neither world which is located in Sheol. In both Hebrew and Christian Faiths the Greek hell is not a place of eternal conscious punishment. It was and is not the doctrine of either the Jews or Christians as a permanent torture as so many who are ignorant of their religions postulate.

The doctrine of Christ Jesus declares that as a person shall once die, then be judged as a conscious spirit immediately after death, that spirit will either be allowed into the celestial kingdom of New Jerusalem or be rejected and kept in confinement in the chambers of the Neither world located in the chambers of Sheol. Most Gentile bibles will call the Neither world as Hell simply because the NT is translated from Greek manuscripts. The Hebrew manuscripts have no such word as Hell or Hades and are not found in the Masoretic texts.

Maybe you should read what i said over. I clearly said what christians believe if you dont believe their form of religion



a reply to: Blue_Jay33

originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: Awen24

Nice idea, but the analogy is all wrong.



People don't go to hell for not believing in Jesus.

They go to hell because the only way to NOT go to hell IS Jesus.



A (poor) analogy would be this:

that you, in the middle of the ocean following a shipwreck, turn down the rescue helicopter, saying "thanks, but I'm good."

The means for your salvation has already been achieved. Whether you keep floating in the ocean or not... that's up to you.

But your analogy only works if the helicopter trying to "rescue" you is the same one that blew up your ship.

So what if it is the same one.

That ship was holding you hostage and it was destroyed in such a way that you would survive to be rescued from your captors.

A rather brilliant analogy. I'm almost annoyed by how applicable it really is, lol.
Doesn't mean I want to be saved by the helicopter; better to drown in the ocean.

originally posted by: Awen24

A (poor) analogy would be this:
that you, in the middle of the ocean following a shipwreck, turn down the rescue helicopter, saying "thanks, but I'm good."
The means for your salvation has already been achieved. Whether you keep floating in the ocean or not... that's up to you.

I like your analogy. Mine goes something like this:

You're lost, and wandering through a desert. You see what appears to be an oasis, and decide immediately that a pool of cool, clear water in the desert just doesn't make any sense, so you assume it to be a mirage, and ignore it, wandering off in the other direction in order to avoid even looking at it.

a reply to: Bigburgh

sounds like you handled the situation pretty well.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos

originally posted by: Awen24

A (poor) analogy would be this:
that you, in the middle of the ocean following a shipwreck, turn down the rescue helicopter, saying "thanks, but I'm good."
The means for your salvation has already been achieved. Whether you keep floating in the ocean or not... that's up to you.

I like your analogy. Mine goes something like this:

You're lost, and wandering through a desert. You see what appears to be an oasis, and decide immediately that a pool of cool, clear water in the desert just doesn't make any sense, so you assume it to be a mirage, and ignore it, wandering off in the other direction in order to avoid even looking at it.

So in this case the desert represents Christianity & the mirage represents reality?
I like it.

a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb

"For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

so god will be humbled in the end, eh?

oh wait. he is the embodiment of "exception to the rule".

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos

originally posted by: Awen24

A (poor) analogy would be this:
that you, in the middle of the ocean following a shipwreck, turn down the rescue helicopter, saying "thanks, but I'm good."
The means for your salvation has already been achieved. Whether you keep floating in the ocean or not... that's up to you.

I like your analogy. Mine goes something like this:

You're lost, and wandering through a desert. You see what appears to be an oasis, and decide immediately that a pool of cool, clear water in the desert just doesn't make any sense, so you assume it to be a mirage, and ignore it, wandering off in the other direction in order to avoid even looking at it.

So in this case the desert represents Christianity & the mirage represents reality?
I like it.

Look at it in whatever way you choose...

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

It doesn't sound judgmental enough the way I phrased it. I never went to church growing up so never got the hang of it.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
a reply to: ProfessorChaos

It doesn't sound judgmental enough the way I phrased it. I never went to church growing up so never got the hang of it.

I don't do church either. There's something wrong with every one I've ever attended, so I just don't go.

I'm not much of a fan of Religion™.

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

I've always had a problem with psychiatrists & pastors, they always think they're the smartest person in the room, when that's obviously me.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn
a reply to: ProfessorChaos

I've always had a problem with psychiatrists & pastors, they always think they're the smartest person in the room, when that's obviously me.

I'm cool with friends coming over to read and discuss scripture, but one person dictating dogma and interpretation of scripture to me, is something I can't accept.

As for psychiatrists, yeah... most of them are more screwed up than the people they're 'treating'.

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

here is th e problem with "going to church" The pastors/preachers never seem to teach everything. they seem to gloss over the unpleseant parts. Or sometime dwell on those parts too much. Great going catholic church way to go.

Also The bible tells you that you are to have a one on one relationship with God. Not a multitude at one time.
Organized churches are just money makers. you ar e better off alone and not part of that fashion show.

ALso To respond to someone in this page. Hell only exist long enough to dispose of the souls that could not be saved during the throne judgement. They will cease to be. As in erased from existence and time. No eternal torment,just ceasing to exist.

a reply to: TzarChasm

"For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." so god will be humbled in the end, eh? oh wait. he is the embodiment of "exception to the rule".

God did humble himself, he became one of us, and suffered for us, when we didn't deserve it.

originally posted by: yuppa

ALso To respond to someone in this page. Hell only exist long enough to dispose of the souls that could not be saved during the throne judgement. They will cease to be. As in erased from existence and time. No eternal torment,just ceasing to exist.

"...could not be saved..."? You really think souls can not be saved by the God who asked Job if anything was too difficult for Him? If you want to be an Annihilationist, how do you get around the Bible's statement that God will become All in all? If some are in Hell or destroyed, He can not.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: yuppa

ALso To respond to someone in this page. Hell only exist long enough to dispose of the souls that could not be saved during the throne judgement. They will cease to be. As in erased from existence and time. No eternal torment,just ceasing to exist.

"...could not be saved..."? You really think souls can not be saved by the God who asked Job if anything was too difficult for Him? If you want to be an Annihilationist, how do you get around the Bible's statement that God will become All in all? If some are in Hell or destroyed, He can not.

Free will. Remember God gave you free will.