George Knapp and Channel 8 in Las Vegas look at Chemtrails (ATS included)...

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

“To think that there could be a global conspiracy, a conspiracy of aircraft technicians, military aircraft, that are all keeping quiet about spreading chemicals up in our atmosphere, I'm sorry to say, but it's crazy,” he said. “Think about it. Tens of thousands of people would have to know about it.”

Tens of thousands of people are happy to join ISIS...

Depopulation isn't as unpopular as people make it out to be.

Nor is it exclusive to "the 1%".

Many, many, many people would do something like this for Money...
Or the bigger picture...
Or both.

I don't believe chemtrails are what some make them out to be...

But not for that reason.

Even on ATS there are people who would join in, some wouldn't even require to be paid, the depopulation agenda would be enough motivation.


Is it really REALLY that hard to imagine some psychopaths might have gotten into certain positions of power, and have found a way to appeal to likeminded people?


I don't subscribe to chemtrail theory at all. But I can't exclude the fact that it could well be happening.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JacKatMtn
Is it just harmless water vapor?

Is the term Chemtrail used in such a bad light to deflect?

Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes

Sunlight May Turn Jet Exhaust Into Toxic Particles

Planes' exhaust could be harming communities up to 10 miles from LAX


Is it a plan to kill off the folks? perhaps not, is it an effort to hide the real dangers of increasing air traffic exhaust?


Who knows... but I ain't buying the message that we shouldn't worry about the growing exhaust plumes in our skies...

What you see is just ice crystals. Just like cirrus clouds. The exhaust that you cannot see (much like automobiles, buses, and trucks) is another issue entirely. It's an internal combustion engine that burns petrol based fuel. So you will have the evils of that process involved.

Is aircraft exhaust any more or less dangerous than ground transportation?

You do see how your reply is completely off the point, right?


Ohh so engine exhaust and chemtrails are two different things, I can sleep on both ears tonight!

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: JacKatMtn
Is it just harmless water vapor?

Is the term Chemtrail used in such a bad light to deflect?

Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes

Sunlight May Turn Jet Exhaust Into Toxic Particles

Planes' exhaust could be harming communities up to 10 miles from LAX
is it an effort to hide the real dangers of increasing air traffic exhaust?
Who knows... but I ain't buying the message that we shouldn't worry about the growing exhaust plumes in our skies...

That's where my main focus is, and I have been saying it for years...a contrail is a chemtrail, and it's from above.

The relative roles of sulphur, organic compounds and chemi-ionsin particle production in the plume are not well understood.

Moreover, the particle production in the engine itself is even more poorly understood. This represents a constraint for any improvement in knowledge of plume processes.

The relative roles of homogeneous and heterogeneous freezing of particles are not well understood.

The ways in which contrail-Cirrus and natural Cirrus differ from each other in terms of radiative forcing is not well understood.

That's a lot of 'not well understoods' So you are right that jet plumes, and jet engines are nasty pieces of work, and the effort to hide any dangers is simply not to yam on about it.

I'm more concerned about the contrail-created cirrus clouds blocking sunlight and/or possibly acting as a blanket keeping the heat of the day from radiating out more than I am the particulates in jet exhaust. The actual pollution is a concern, too, but not any more of a concern than the pollution from automobiles and industrial sources.

By the way, those particulates are there whether or not the contrail is there. So if you want to call jet exhaust a "chemtrail", then most of those chemtrails are invisible. The white puffy parts are mainly water, not particulates. "Invisible trails" aren't exactly what the chemtrail people get on about.

Granted -- the particulates add to the possibility of nucleation, which in turn creates the contrails, but once an ice crystal forms around a particulate, those ice crystals can cause ambient moisture (moisture not from the combustion process, but moisture that was already pre-existing in the air) to also freeze into mostly pure water-ice crystals.

a reply to: Springer

You may see a site you recognize involved in the piece.

Now that's how you get exposure...

originally posted by: Strawberry88

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: JacKatMtn
Is it just harmless water vapor?

Is the term Chemtrail used in such a bad light to deflect?

Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes

Sunlight May Turn Jet Exhaust Into Toxic Particles

Planes' exhaust could be harming communities up to 10 miles from LAX


Is it a plan to kill off the folks? perhaps not, is it an effort to hide the real dangers of increasing air traffic exhaust?


Who knows... but I ain't buying the message that we shouldn't worry about the growing exhaust plumes in our skies...

What you see is just ice crystals. Just like cirrus clouds. The exhaust that you cannot see (much like automobiles, buses, and trucks) is another issue entirely. It's an internal combustion engine that burns petrol based fuel. So you will have the evils of that process involved.

Is aircraft exhaust any more or less dangerous than ground transportation?

You do see how your reply is completely off the point, right?


Ohh so engine exhaust and chemtrails are two different things, I can sleep on both ears tonight!

If I spoke incorrectly, please set me right. I was speaking to the visual contrails. If they are made up of something other than ice crystals, please show me what that is, so I don't spread the wrong information.

And yes, engine exhaust is hard to see and exists the entire time the engine is running. Even on the ground. When the plane makes a visible trail, you are seeing the condensation freezing. Again, if that's wrong, show me please.

To answer this question, lets first identify what a contrail is. A contrail is the condensation trail that is left behind by a passing jet plane. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. Vapor pressure is just a fancy term for the amount of pressure that is exerted by water vapor itself (as opposed to atmospheric, or barometric, pressure which is due to the weight of the entire atmosphere above you). The mixing occurs directly behind the plane due to the turbulence generated by the engine. If condensation (conversion from a gas to a liquid) occurs, then a contrail becomes visible. Since air temperatures at these high atmospheric levels are very cold (generally colder than -40 F), only a small amount of liquid is necessary for condensation to occur. Water is a normal byproduct of combustion in engines.

link to what I think is a reputable source.

I am not going to spend a lot of time explaining this too people who are trying not to see it, trying not to find the research and info i=on it, and purposefully using false arguments to kill the conversation.

Keep It Simple Stupid.. Clouds are formed when oppositely charged water molecules all condense and adhere to small specs of dirt or debris. The water molecules weigh it down, and it falls down as rain. Now in a chemically induced cloud, Nano particles are used, often nano aluminum or chromium, the nano particle is MUCH smaller than the dust particle and can hold MUCH more water molecules 20X or more, so clouds that would have rained on CA 9if they were normal clouds) instead dont rain because they can suspend much more vapor in the air.

So what do they do?

well they monitor the weather.
Then create the correct mixture of nano materials in order to keep the water suspended until the area they want it to be released.
load into jets spray tanks.
spray.
monitor weather.
Then create the correct mixture of nano materials in order to keep the water suspended until the area they want it to be released.
Spray.............


But you guys already knew all of this...

a reply to: Strawberry88

YES they ARE... Two totally different things, research and education are your friends.

Just to be clear, Jet engine exhaust DOES NOT MAKE the contrails OR the mythical "chemtrails" some people think contrails really are.

Even the "Chemtrail" believers who understand basic atmospheric science agree that IF there is something being "sprayed" onto the rest of us it's not coming out of the turbines' exhaust, the turbines would burn up all the poison anyway.

originally posted by: mrthumpy

Contrails are condensed water vapour (hence the name), they're not jet exhaust however.

Then why is jet fuel found even in breast milk?

a reply to: kosmicjack

It wasn't. An ingredient that is IN jet fuel was.

a reply to: Zaphod58

www.npr.org...

news.bio-medicine.org...

a reply to: kosmicjack

Yep. The key word is "ingredient". When burned, jet fuel breaks down into ingredients. The ingredients are what was found when tested. Not jet fuel itself.

a reply to: Zaphod58

And where did the ingredient come from? Where is the most logical place?

a reply to: kosmicjack

Depends on what it is. Some from exhaust, a lot from refineries. If it's used in other fuels from there too. Jet fuel is burned in fairly large quantities at airports once or twice a month for training the fire department.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: Zaphod58

And where did the ingredient come from? Where is the most logical place?

Over 90% of the human intake of dioxins is through food, mainly from animal origin. The intake is ten to hundred times higher for breast fed babies than for adults with respect to their body weight. In most industrialized countries, dioxin exposure has been reduced by almost 50% compared to the early 90's.

Scientific Facts on Dioxins

Lately there is a focus on tap water as a source of dioxin contamination.

Just some FYI

originally posted by: JacKatMtn
Is it just harmless water vapor?

Is the term Chemtrail used in such a bad light to deflect?

Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes

Sunlight May Turn Jet Exhaust Into Toxic Particles

Planes' exhaust could be harming communities up to 10 miles from LAX


Is it a plan to kill off the folks? perhaps not, is it an effort to hide the real dangers of increasing air traffic exhaust?


Who knows... but I ain't buying the message that we shouldn't worry about the growing exhaust plumes in our skies...

Bingo you said what I was thinking, I really would like some blue sky's some day soon like years ago.
Regards, Iwinder

Jet engine exhaust is cleaner than automobile exhaust (per pound of fuel burned, PLUS there is more automobile fuel being burned in the world than jet fuel). While there are toxic material associated with jet exhaust, they are generally cleaner than automobiles

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I can drive a long way on say 20 pounds of fuel, how far does mister jet get with that amount?
Could you post a link that shows jet exhaust is cleaner than automobiles? I would love to read what is says.
I appreciate you offering the information that Jet exhaust is toxic to humans its nice to know, I I mean that in a non snippy way.
Regards, Iwinder

Jet fuel is burned in fairly large quantities at airports once or twice a month for training the fire department.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Larger quantities than the actual usage by jets at the said airport in a months time?

Just asking.
Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Iwinder

Any fuel that fails quality testing, or shows signs of contamination. It depends on how much that turns out to be.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Iwinder

Any fuel that fails quality testing, or shows signs of contamination. It depends on how much that turns out to be.

I understand then that you don't really have an answer for my question in the above post correct?
As far as I can tell there is no way in hell Airports use more jet fuel for training than the actual jets use in a month.

If that were the case the world would be an inferno deluxe big time.

Regards, Iwinder

a reply to: Iwinder

It varies from month to month. There is no set answer. Fuel that is pumped doesn't release anything. At idle and take off not as much as people think is burned.