The Truth is Unspeakable; American Sniper unloads on 'American Sniper'

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I can accept that criticism.

I did say "what he did" and maybe I should have been more specific.


Like I said in the following post, his saving others, his love for his country and family, & I didn't know him but I'm guessing the way he treated his fellow soldiers I'm sure all made him someone worth celebrating.

But I wasn't referring to that... I was talking about people who've clearly only looked at the body count and decided that's what makes him a hero...

That's not a thing to celebrate.

Many soldiers never killed anyone, some have probably killed more than him and kept it to themselves...

There's a reason for that.


I'm not nitpicking but in one of the previous threads tweets were discussed and they were along the line of "wow great I need to kill an Arab"...

Thus my opinion of those people is not going to change.

a reply to: sg1642

Again, where did I say people can't respect or admire his skills, dedication, & his efforts?


I clearly mentioned celebrating and taking life...


Do you see the difference in what I'm actually saying as opposed to what you're telling me I said?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: SlapMonkey
But I wasn't referring to that... I was talking about people who've clearly only looked at the body count and decided that's what makes him a hero...

That's not a thing to celebrate.

I agree with this completely, but there's always that underlying issue as to the "why" behind the body count. I'm hopeful that most people, military or otherwise, that celebrate the body count do so because they consider those he killed as being 'the bad guy' and a potential or active threat to our Service Members. If so, then I would agree that eliminating those threats is a good thing, if we have to be over there.

Of course, I'd prefer we bring our peeps back home and let that area destroy itself (as it always has...it's a perpetual war-hungry area) without putting our people in harms way while they do it.

a reply to: cuckooold

Not sure how relevant this is to his views, but doesn't really sound like this guy was a "sniper" at all - he said used an M-4 with iron sights, and took 6 shots to take someone down. Most infantry troops carrying M-4's had optical sights, and when deployed as a sniper, he'd used a scoped long gun, like the M-24 or M-107. At a guess, I'd say he was in a Combat Support MOS.

Not discounting what he said happened - (the euphoria he describes upon hitting the guy is pretty creepy - says more about him and his own psychology than anything else.)

But color me skeptical that he was a graduate of sniper school.

a reply to: squittles

The guy's record can be verified in a bit. I will make some calls, send out some emails. May take over the weekend, but I will find out.


I agree, he sounds like a liar and a poser.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

So basically you're a pawn who has no say in anything? It's just a job! That right there is the problem! War will never stop until men stop viewing it in such a way as you do.

The story is bogus in some ways and maybe all.

Snipers do not fire in 3 rnd burst.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

RENDERING your opinion that of an outsider and less valuable.
WE DON'T have any sociopathic tendancies. DR. DON'T KNOW SQUAT.
Always with THE CRAZY labels.

Screaming in all caps isn't helping your case.

Ieuwww I'm out of this thread faster than a speeding bullet from this murderer's sniper.



This debate really brings out the nastiest people on ATS, I wish I never opened it.


Killing people is winning? What the f*** is wrong with you people?? Don't you see that this is exactly the mentality of terrorists? :S :S :S

You'll achieve peace even if it kills mankind, isn't that right? Utterly disgusting. If you think murder is a solution to ending the oppositions opinion, you might as well put "PROUD ISIS SUPPORTER" in your sig, if you applaud blatant murder anyway, and think it's the solution to all problems.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs



I celebrate every day what Chris Kyle, every other Sniper, SF team member and other GIs did.



They saved the lives of their fellow brothers and sisters.



Killing sucks. It is not a glamorous thing. But, it is something that needed/needs to be done on the battlefield.



Some people are good at it.



Do I cry for the lost lives of the enemy?? Not one single tear.

The truth is that not only do highly trained dedicated individuals save american lives and freedoms they also save many on the side they are fighting against also.

When war rears it's head by word of the ones responsible at the top it comes with a certain set of goals.

Until we all get together and stop the ones causing the wars we all benefit from ones that can be most effective at their job.

If you are gonna kill a snake the best way is too cut off the head and not take an inch of the tail in multiple strikes until you reach the head.

Our problem is not with the ones on the battle field. It is with the ones hiding in other countries paying both sides.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: SlapMonkey
But I wasn't referring to that... I was talking about people who've clearly only looked at the body count and decided that's what makes him a hero...

That's not a thing to celebrate.

I agree with this completely, but there's always that underlying issue as to the "why" behind the body count. I'm hopeful that most people, military or otherwise, that celebrate the body count do so because they consider those he killed as being 'the bad guy' and a potential or active threat to our Service Members. If so, then I would agree that eliminating those threats is a good thing, if we have to be over there.

Of course, I'd prefer we bring our peeps back home and let that area destroy itself (as it always has...it's a perpetual war-hungry area) without putting our people in harms way while they do it.

That is you assuming there are "bad guys" in the first place.



I can only wish for some people to experience losing their entire family to a bombing run, because some people really seem to need to experience it before they can imagine what it's like.

Wife, children, parents, all dead, and a bunch of armed men come up to you with a deal; pick up a gun, get revenge, or we slit your throat to set an example to the other villagers who survived.




You "patriots" would all surrender, isn't that right?

No, you'd be the goddamn bad guys if you were born there and sh*t happened to you, but instead, you can feel high and mighty from behind your desk.


You should all be proud, really.

a reply to: Strawberry88

You are being a bit extreme in your views.

I personally know that if you come up with a better solution to what is happening then people will listen.

Rape of women and children is happening right now and we need a plan.

Currently the plan is simple.

Kill the ones doing the raping and murdering of people as they are pushing to take over the world.

Put your thinking cap on cause we are listening.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
Our problem is not with the ones on the battle field. It is with the ones hiding in other countries paying both sides.

SO WHY APPLAUD KILLING THE ONES ON THE BATTLEFIELD? I DON'T GET IT.


You seem to understand just fine what's going on, yet you still approve killing mere CANNONFODDER?


These people are indoctrinated illiterate fools most of the times, who don't even have a goddamn agenda beyond what they're told.


So HOW is it commendable to shoot these people and have them suffer, exactly, when the real culprits are hiding elsewhere and never even get confronted for their crimes?

Just one last question please;



If it were the other way around, would you also respect your "enemies" making a similar film, celebrating their hero who has killed so many "bad guys"???


From their perspective, there is ZERO difference.

a reply to: MiddleClassWhiteBoy

WRONG hipster, war STOPS when people TALK and understand we don't want to take their stuff and kill them.
WHAT you're doing is a feeble attempt to alter with GROUPTHINK so warriors are creatures beneath you with your values are the superior high ground.
THERES still fighting and there's still hostility trying to kill you because of your freedom of thought AKA ,WAR.
When you're one of the best on the planet and some of your own DIE by their own hand because of their pain ,you tend to take NO FECES from those who know little of their culture or the rest of the planet,tet say you are neanderthals,baby killers or sociopaths. LIKE the good little socialists you seem to EMULATE.

a reply to: Strawberry88

You just replied to a thread that featured a story that is very likely fake and written in an attempt to garner your anger over it.

If the world turns its back right now on the caliphate then you will lose your head along with many others.

You use the term cannon fodder from a speach that i personally like much but i see it for what it is.

It is from a movie featurinng a dictator and being spoken by a nazi sympthizen communist.

It is a great point that it made but it fails us in reality.

I hate killing and death but i also have studied much in depth beyond my personal feelings on the subject and the answer is hard to swallow after yrs of research it is not easy to sum up because the truth is spiritual. Meaning that without some form of violence in the world there would rise the greatest killing force ever imagined.

It is sad that that beast named death has to be fed from time to time but it is just a fact that keeps the majority of us safe somewhat.

Short of eliminating the players at the top the best we can hope for is highly trained people getting the job done is the most surgical way possible.

These people we are talking about are not the ones ordering drones to drop bombs they are the ones dropping them.

Lies are all around us and buying into the righ left crap fuels the system.

a reply to: Strawberry88

YES I do,DAS boot was great and aside from the NAZIS the Wehrmacht brilliant men who fought for what they were told was true even if lied to by the high command about the nastier parts as weare being lied to about our own RIGHT now.
It's a pity you haven't obtained such depth.

originally posted by: Strawberry88
Just one last question please;







If it were the other way around, would you also respect your "enemies" making a similar film, celebrating their hero who has killed so many "bad guys"???





From their perspective, there is ZERO difference.

You must be off your rocker.

They make very many films and they are real.

Go search for isis snuff films and get back to us.

I will choose to let people live in harmony. It is another that set out to subvert plans made. Until that other is removed harmony will not happen and the beast must be fed. It will take support and faith to get the job done. Do not be decieved.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Oh, I agree. My views on warfare is considered "too extreme" by most.

Remove the media, unleash and unshackle the Military and go scorched Earth.

No rebuilding crap with multi-billion dollar contracts. No hearts and minds.

Shock and awe. Kill and level everything. Then go home and enjoy a snickers.


But, there is too much money to be made doing it how we currently are.

Sad, as my way of fighting would save money, lives and time. But is considered as savage by most.

Oh well.