Dr. Ben Carson on Vaccines: Public Safety trumps Parental Discretion

I am with Dr. Carson.

I, for one, am very happy to have watched my children pass through early childhood without suffering from the following:
Mumps, measles, chicken pox, polio and pertussis.

I had some of them.... it wasn't fun. Some of them could have killed me too.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Ben Carson is supposed to be conservative. I guess he's fascist if he would inject at gunpoint.

My kids have gotten vaccinations just not all the boosters and your vaccines that supposedly save lives almost took the lives of my two kids then who gets responsibilty for that and what should be done with the responsible then???a reply to: olaru12

And your going to entrust your life to the same people that threw two airplanes at you??? Really i dont know if i feel comfortable w that...a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Im w you on that type one 18 years dont suffer nueropathy yet but i was always a healthy person no one in my family ever had on both sides and look how the cards were dealt to us...a reply to: FlyersFan

originally posted by: ATF1886
My kids have gotten vaccinations just not all the boosters and your vaccines that supposedly save lives almost took the lives of my two kids then who gets responsibilty for that and what should be done with the responsible then???a reply to: olaru12

My vaccines? If you will notice by my posting, I am asking questions on both sides of the issue. It was a question not an indictment. sheesh.

I'm just trying to reach an honest and honorable solution to a very complex and troubling situation.

It's about time that high ranking officials in the medical profession decided to show their true intention of taking over the world And here I thought it was only the Pharma companies.

Force people to buy medicines.

Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

My life is my kids and when i held my daughter in my arms turning black and blue and that blank stare in her eyes i took it upon myself to make sure she never goes through that again the same day she got the vaccine is the same day that happend there is no viable solution because the government that scares us on all these diseases are the ones messing with it in a lab!!!!a reply to: olaru12

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Actually, I'm pretty sure one of the purposes of our government, according to the preamble to the Constitution, anyway, is to promote the general welfare by establishing the Constitution.

I can't seem to see where it's the role of government to insure the health and welfare of the people. In fact, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that anywhere under the roles of government in the Constitution.

Dr. Ben Carson is, in my opinion, wrong in his view on this subject--government has no right to force anything into my body, nor does it have a legitimate role in protecting the made up "rights of society" that he implies includes a "right" against getting sick from other people. It's an ignorant statement that bastardizes the role of government.

originally posted by: ATF1886
Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

I didn't STATEanything...It was a question; Also I don't have any answers. Both sides have legitimate concerns; I chose not to get a flu shot this year but I got a vaccine for the varicella-zoster virus. It's a personal decision.
I don't trust authority figures of any persuasion to know or do the right thing for the citizens of this country.
imo we are now dealing with a neocon Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme and the citizenry is just viewed as a commodity to be used.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ATF1886
Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

I didn't STATEanything...It was a question; Also I don't have any answers. Both sides have legitimate concerns; I chose not to get a flu shot this year but I got a vaccine for the varicella-zoster virus. It's a personal decision.
I don't trust authority figures of any persuasion to know or do the right thing for the citizens of this country.
imo we are now dealing with a neocon Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme and the citizenry is just viewed as a commodity to be used.

You didnt have a flu shot "this year".
You say that like thats unusual. And wth is varicella-zoster virus?
Was it vaccine of the week? Was it on a special?

So we are living in a Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme where we are just commodities traded on the value of our labour. And you took the shot anyway? WTF!?

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ATF1886
Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

I didn't STATEanything...It was a question; Also I don't have any answers. Both sides have legitimate concerns; I chose not to get a flu shot this year but I got a vaccine for the varicella-zoster virus. It's a personal decision.
I don't trust authority figures of any persuasion to know or do the right thing for the citizens of this country.
imo we are now dealing with a neocon Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme and the citizenry is just viewed as a commodity to be used.

You didnt have a flu shot "this year".
You say that like thats unusual. And wth is varicella-zoster virus?
Was it vaccine of the week? Was it on a special?

So we are living in a Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme where we are just commodities traded on the value of our labour. And you took the shot anyway? WTF!?

I'm not surprised you don't know what varicella-voster is!!

It's "shingles" and pray to God you don't get them. Sometimes you need to chose your battles.

WTF indeed.....

Not actually directly responding to anyone, just my thoughts on this topic

1) The application of any vaccine is no gurantee you have achieved the desired immunity at any level....

2) You are guaranteeing an increase in the amount of nuero toxic mercury and other heavy metals floating around in your body (Not seeing the benefits there)

3) What information is available stating the current Measles vaccination (or any of them) is on par to immunize against all known strains of measles that is being reported on or outside of Disneyland or anywhere? It clearly has infected those who already received the vaccine.

" six of the cases got their measles-mumps-rubella vaccine—the MMR shot—and still managed to get infected "

I have looked for information regarding the timeline it takes to develop and test a new vaccine. CDC websites doesn't give a time line : www.cdc.gov... Neither does WHO ( Not surprising)

www.historyofvaccines.org... Says it takes about 10-15 years from animal studies to people getting it at walmart or CVC or where ever now these days...You're trying to tell me that 10 year old ( minimum ) vaccine is current and effective..? Yeah probably not...

I would also argue that the laboratory conditions vaccines are developed under are incredibly insufficient to simulate the real world conditions that viruses mutate under producing a subpar means to achieve any level of competent immunization. Is it better than nothing at all ? Maybe....

So people are asking questions along the line of

"So if your kid gets sick and dies from a disease the vaccine could have prevented; who's responsible for their death?

And what should be done with those responsible? "

What about people who have already got the shot, who get infected, infect someone else,vaccinated or not and they die?

Clearly thats possible....



4) Sorry gov't has no right to tell us what to inject in our bodies ever under any cicumstances. They are NOT interested in your health and well being

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ATF1886
Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

I didn't STATEanything...It was a question; Also I don't have any answers. Both sides have legitimate concerns; I chose not to get a flu shot this year but I got a vaccine for the varicella-zoster virus. It's a personal decision.
I don't trust authority figures of any persuasion to know or do the right thing for the citizens of this country.
imo we are now dealing with a neocon Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme and the citizenry is just viewed as a commodity to be used.

You didnt have a flu shot "this year".
You say that like thats unusual. And wth is varicella-zoster virus?
Was it vaccine of the week? Was it on a special?

So we are living in a Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme where we are just commodities traded on the value of our labour. And you took the shot anyway? WTF!?

I'm not surprised you don't know what varicella-voster is!!

It's "shingles" and pray to God you don't get them. Sometimes you need to chose your battles.

WTF indeed.....

No, I doubt I will get shingles. I had chicken pox as a kid.
We were talking about varicella-zoster, what is varicella-voster? Some new strain?

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ATF1886
Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

I didn't STATEanything...It was a question; Also I don't have any answers. Both sides have legitimate concerns; I chose not to get a flu shot this year but I got a vaccine for the varicella-zoster virus. It's a personal decision.
I don't trust authority figures of any persuasion to know or do the right thing for the citizens of this country.
imo we are now dealing with a neocon Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme and the citizenry is just viewed as a commodity to be used.

You didnt have a flu shot "this year".
You say that like thats unusual. And wth is varicella-zoster virus?
Was it vaccine of the week? Was it on a special?

So we are living in a Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme where we are just commodities traded on the value of our labour. And you took the shot anyway? WTF!?

I'm not surprised you don't know what varicella-voster is!!

It's "shingles" and pray to God you don't get them. Sometimes you need to chose your battles.

WTF indeed.....

No, I doubt I will get shingles. I had chicken pox as a kid.
We were talking about varicella-zoster, what is varicella-voster? Some new strain?

OMG....varicella-voster virus is the medical terminology for Shingles...
You might want to read this...having chicken pox is a precursor to Shingles.

Here, I'll google it for you....

www.mayoclinic.org...

btw...I'm not advocating anyone take any vaccine; just don't be a crybaby when you get sick.

It seems strange to me.

If you get the vaccine .... it will protect you.

The only ones in society that catch the disease will be those not immunized and only in the extraordinary case that they somehow come into contact with an infectious person.

Therefore, why is it a public health concern?

It seems to me that the vaccines do not always work.

The contagion spread through Disneyland proves definitively that the vaccine no longer works as advertised.

The problem, as always, is that we are 'shielded' from the information regarding some very bad negative side affects.

I do not care to be kept in the dark and fed on BS.

I am not a mushroom.

P

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ATF1886
Ok you stated that people that dont vaccinate should be held responsible well im responding to your question.

I didn't STATEanything...It was a question; Also I don't have any answers. Both sides have legitimate concerns; I chose not to get a flu shot this year but I got a vaccine for the varicella-zoster virus. It's a personal decision.
I don't trust authority figures of any persuasion to know or do the right thing for the citizens of this country.
imo we are now dealing with a neocon Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme and the citizenry is just viewed as a commodity to be used.

You didnt have a flu shot "this year".
You say that like thats unusual. And wth is varicella-zoster virus?
Was it vaccine of the week? Was it on a special?

So we are living in a Fascist Corporate Oligarchy where profit reigns supreme where we are just commodities traded on the value of our labour. And you took the shot anyway? WTF!?

I'm not surprised you don't know what varicella-voster is!!

It's "shingles" and pray to God you don't get them. Sometimes you need to chose your battles.

WTF indeed.....

No, I doubt I will get shingles. I had chicken pox as a kid.
We were talking about varicella-zoster, what is varicella-voster? Some new strain?

OMG....varicella-voster virus is the medical terminology for Shingles...
You might want to read this...having chicken pox is a precursor to Shingles.

Here, I'll google it for you....

www.mayoclinic.org...

btw...I'm not advocating anyone take any vaccine; just don't be a crybaby when you get sick.

We all get sick, with or without vaccines. Thats life. There is no "snake oil" that will prevent all sickness.
I personally think people should grow a pair and stop running scared of everything and face it without fear.
Thats how we used to do it and everyone I know made it through.
When my government colludes with a pharmaceutical company to deliberately use a tainted vaccine on innocent children it proves to me that their intentions are in no way honourable and are in no way indicative of "public health concerns"

And your link, maybe you should read it yourself.

If you are going to launch an "OMG" bomb and point out mistakes, you should at least spell the name of the virus correctly. Just saying.
I would also say chill out a little, relax, dont worry about tiny microbes that will do what they have to to survive. Because I doubt we truly eradicate any disease, because in the game of evolution the viruses mutate and adapt to survive.

If people so feel they want to go and shoot up a virus into themselves or their children that is their prerogative.
If people have the freedom to do something so potentially harmful to themselves then they should at least also have the option to decline.

If TPTB ever did one day decide to use "vaccination" as a serious means of sterilisation, it would take at least 14 to 15 years to even begin to find out, when girls stop becoming pregnant. Just something to consider.
Its not like a government has ever become a eugenics obsessed monster before now is it?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Just remember people these so called doctors used to have adds like this .
9 out of 10 doctors recommend winston cigerettes .
Now the same doctors that told us to smoke are telling us not to lol.
The list goes on and on sachrin or nutrisweet its good for ...ooops it causes cancer
Eggs eggs for gods sake there good for you one day bad the next lol.
No wait the white parts good for ya the yellow parts bad ahaaaahahahahahahah i scream.
And now my favorite to date .........have you or a loved one tooken viagra and now have testiculare cancer lol i love it.
So get the shots dont get the shots i say anymore its a coin toss no matter what you trust.