Aliens or ex-inhabitants..

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

Facts? WHere were the facts? I missed that part. I heard claims. Could you present the facts proven via testable evidence? I'm seriously interested in seeing them.

No your interested in not believing and putting your proverbial fingers in your ears, and your hands over your eyes.

If the president got on TV and told you ETs were real you would most likely be like I want some testable evidence like my own UFO ship to make me believe becuase im really that dense. . .

You're right. I'm not interested in believing. IF there is testable evidence, it's fact and no belief is needed. I've asked you repeatedly to present the testable evidence and you have repeatedly neglected to do so.

Your not to bright if you refuse to believe the evidence presented to you, the only way to get testable evidence is work with the military, but they wouldnt allow someone who is utterly dense work on ET tech is my guess. Go apply for a job at area 51 lolz rofl.
It amazes me how willfully ignorant some people are. . . .

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

Facts? WHere were the facts? I missed that part. I heard claims. Could you present the facts proven via testable evidence? I'm seriously interested in seeing them.

No your interested in not believing and putting your proverbial fingers in your ears, and your hands over your eyes.

If the president got on TV and told you ETs were real you would most likely be like I want some testable evidence like my own UFO ship to make me believe becuase im really that dense. . .

You're right. I'm not interested in believing. IF there is testable evidence, it's fact and no belief is needed. I've asked you repeatedly to present the testable evidence and you have repeatedly neglected to do so.

Your not to bright if you refuse to believe the evidence presented to you, the only way to get testable evidence is work with the military, but they wouldnt allow someone who is utterly dense work on ET tech is my guess. Go apply for a job at area 51 lolz rofl.
It amazes me how willfully ignorant some people are. . . .

Actually, it is not very "bright" to accept any data without testing it. The government does not have a monopoly of viable, testable evidence. One only needs to devise methods for extracting useful data.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

No your interested in not believing and putting your proverbial fingers in your ears, and your hands over your eyes.
If the president got on TV and told you ETs were real you would most likely be like I want some testable evidence like my own UFO ship to make me believe becuase im really that dense. . .

Your not to bright if you refuse to believe the evidence presented to you, the only way to get testable evidence is work with the military, but they wouldnt allow someone who is utterly dense work on ET tech is my guess. Go apply for a job at area 51 lolz rofl.
It amazes me how willfully ignorant some people are. . . .

I am really actually quite fascinated by your remarks. Why is it so important to you that others believe in aliens? Its like we are bad people because we don't believe the same as you. Do you just want people to validate your beliefs? If your belief is strong then what does it matter what others believe? I used to believe in the ET lore but it kind of unraveled on its own so it wasn't willful. But I don't recall having such a strong reaction. I have other odd beliefs based on some odd experiences but I wouldn't expect others to accept them as facts.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

No your interested in not believing and putting your proverbial fingers in your ears, and your hands over your eyes.
If the president got on TV and told you ETs were real you would most likely be like I want some testable evidence like my own UFO ship to make me believe becuase im really that dense. . .

I am really actually quite fascinated by your remarks. Why is it so important to you that others believe in aliens? Its like we are bad people because we don't believe the same as you. Do you just want people to validate your beliefs? If your belief is strong then what does it matter what others believe? I used to believe in the ET lore but it kind of unraveled on its own so it wasn't willful. But I don't recall having such a strong reaction. I have other odd beliefs based on some odd experiences but I wouldn't expect others to accept them as facts.

It's become a religion and the "believers" in this religion act exactly like fundamentalist believers of other religions. It won't be long before they start threatening us with their ET friends.

a reply to: Tangerine

Its actually an interesting comparison and probably has real truth to it. You could easily describe UFO encounters as religious experiences. They are often described as "life changing events". When someone has a religious experience, they want to share their experience with others. Its like an overwhelming drive. All you have to do is go to church or take a hallucinogen or watch 100 hours of the disclosure project and the truth will be revealed.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

Facts? WHere were the facts? I missed that part. I heard claims. Could you present the facts proven via testable evidence? I'm seriously interested in seeing them.

You need to understand a couple of things here...

1. These guys have no facts, no evidence to present...only their misunderstanding of something they were never directly involved in.

2. The kind of "facts" you want you will never see...

I can give you better data, facts, and testable evidence, and all I have are probabilities...

We're talking about tangible evidence that can be physically tested. You've been here long enough and understand that, but continue to play this post after post word and numbers game. "If you know where and how to extract the data, you can come to the probability of ET" etc. etc. etc. Which works great for you in your own world, but provides nothing for the real physical world. I've been around that dizzying and fruitless circle with you before. It goes on for pages, as this has.

I do have a question though... You've said in other threads that you know for a fact that alien beings have addressed the G8 and G20 summits:

5- You think aliens have already addressed the U.N. G8 and G20.

Your response:
5. I personally know just such an extraterrestrial.

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You misunderstand the nature of Her office! But that's okay; ET has already addressed the UN; held meetings with G8 and G20, as well as any global governments.

I'd like to know what evidence you have to back up that physical claim. After a definitive statement such as that, it's no longer a mathematical probability, it becomes a physical reality. So, what evidence?

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

I think I've seen many irrational fanatics, for lack of a better term, on both sides. Including some characters I think might even be disinfo angents...

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Your not to bright if you refuse to believe the evidence presented to you,

Probably should have spent a little more time crafting this line...

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
5- You think aliens have already addressed the U.N. G8 and G20.

originally posted by: tanka418
5. I personally know just such an extraterrestrial.

You didn't address the G8 and G20 summits, tanka.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
We're talking about tangible evidence that can be physically tested. You've been here long enough and understand that, but continue to play this post after post word and numbers game. "If you know where and how to extract the data, you can come to the probability of ET" etc. etc. etc. Which works great for you in your own world, but provides nothing for the real physical world. I've been around that dizzying and fruitless circle with you before. It goes on for pages, as this has.

Yes I know the kind of "evidence" you want...usually it doesn't exist in a form that you will accept. You seem to have sme sort of data conversion issue or something.

However, this latest claim of mine...about the probabilities, etc...comes directly from very testable data; and you can start your "testing" with a dataset called "XHIP" that is the "Extended Hipparcos Catalog" it is a dataset of some 117,00 or so stars...have fun!

Xhip along with other well known datasets are what I have used to make my PREDICTIONS on the nature and home worlds of other ETs.

Something you have missed, and perhaps not properly related; much of my "claims", are not claims...they are predictions.

I do have a question though... You've said in other threads that you know for a fact that alien beings have addressed the G8 and G20 summits:
"5- You think aliens have already addressed the U.N. G8 and G20.

Your response:
5. I personally know just such an extraterrestrial."


I'd like to know what evidence you have to back up that physical claim. After a definitive statement such as that, it's no longer a mathematical probability, it becomes a physical reality. So, what evidence?

No evidence that you can view...this was a private conversation between me and another. IF that is unacceptable to you; then consider it yet another prediction.

Seriously, you need to understand that there will always be things that are beyond our reach, that doesn't mean they are false, only that we can't examine, or perhaps understand, them. In this case, I know an ET, who typically doesn't interact with Terrestrials, nor Terrestrial affairs. This ET was kind enough to attempt to assist world government...unfortunately, your governments think they "know better"...kind of like you. For this event I will not attempt to provide ANY sort of evidence...if you wish, ignore it. If you are fool enough; ignore me.

ETA; Actually much of this was communicated via Telepathy...and before you start; yes, I'm a telepath, and NO, absolutely NOT; on the testing front. You could never make it worth my while to submit to your testing,..

I have, in another post, made reference to acquiring data, that while testable, that data, and the testing is not something that can be "shared". For instance, a set of experiences that over time show themselves to be "true"...many instances where, in this case, my "telepathy" was "proven"...this data can't be shared, thus YOU can't examine it...if that means that you don't accept...OH WELL! I see that as YOUR problem, not mine.

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
5- You think aliens have already addressed the U.N. G8 and G20.

originally posted by: tanka418
5. I personally know just such an extraterrestrial.

You didn't address the G8 and G20 summits, tanka.

I never said I did...

originally posted by: tanka418
But to answer the question about why I think a given star is home for ET...just as planets are ubiquitous, so is life.
Its kind of like; "If a star can have planets, it will. If a planet can have/support life, it will.

Woah, woah wooooaaah friend.

It may very well be the case that life is ubiquitous in the universe and that is certainly the rationale for a lot of current research but we have no evidence that's the case yet.

If you have such evidence, step up and present it and get in line for your Nobel Prize.

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: tanka418
But to answer the question about why I think a given star is home for ET...just as planets are ubiquitous, so is life.
Its kind of like; "If a star can have planets, it will. If a planet can have/support life, it will.

Woah, woah wooooaaah friend.

It may very well be the case that life is ubiquitous in the universe and that is certainly the rationale for a lot of current research but we have no evidence that's the case yet.

If you have such evidence, step up and present it and get in line for your Nobel Prize.

Think of it as a prediction...and you can keep your Nobel Prize. (course, IF you could give me what I want it might be different...but, alas, Earth doesn't have that technology yet.)

So, think of it as a prediction...OR, simply apply some logic to the question...

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Military tells you there are aliens right here, they have sworn to to tell the truth under penalty of purgury. So that settles it they are just aliens, however that doesnt mean there arent ex-inhabitants that were aliens as well.

Why would you believe anything the military told you?

First you accuse military of lying (which they do all the time) but you choose to believe THESE military people because they tell you want you WANT to hear?

They have nothing more than stories to back up their claims. Without hard evidence their stories are no more credible than Joe Sixpack's "UFO encounter" on a farm.

In fact since they are military they might even intentionally be lying to cover up a classified project. That has been done before and the CIA, DIA and others have come out and stated they used UFO reports to cover things like the U2, Stealth bomber and fighter, drone research etc.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

The false reality you speak of is pretending because someone says "aliens are visiting the Earth" that that is evidence rather than a claim which requires evidence.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
We're talking about tangible evidence that can be physically tested.

I've been thinking about this...the very same demand made by virtually everybody; so...

What kinds of tests to you propose?

Lets say for the moment that I might actually be willing to work with you on this. What kind of "testing" would you propose we do?

Let us say for the moment that we are testing my abilities as a "Telepath" how would you go about testing for that?

Please be specific.

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Lol to those who deny the truth, live in your false reality, deny the facts being presented to you, but dont consider yourselves anything other than willfully ignorant from this point on.

The false reality you speak of is pretending because someone says "aliens are visiting the Earth" that that is evidence rather than a claim which requires evidence.

Are you one of those testable evidence folk?

Do you have top secret clearance to be able to do any testable evidence?
Do you have any qualifications at all?
If not I suggest you listen to those who do have top secret clearance, and take notes, educate yourself as to what they are saying and consider yourself lucky they are telling you anything at all.

Funny some people prefer to be lied to, and then everything is fine, however when the truth is told they want evidence that its true.
Kinda silly I think. . .
Its called being willfully ignorant:

Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one’s inner model of reality. At heart, it is almost certainly driven by confirmation bias.

It differs from the standard definition of “ignorance“ — which just means that one is unaware of something — in that willfully ignorant people are fully aware of facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them. Indeed, calling someone "ignorant" shouldn’t really be a pejorative, but intentional and willful ignorance is an entirely different matter. In practice though, the word "ignorance" has often come to mean "willful ignorance", and indeed, in many non-English languages, the word based on the same stem actually carries that meaning.

It is sometimes referred to as tactical stupidity.

Depending on the nature and strength of an individual’s pre-existing beliefs, willful ignorance can manifest itself in different ways. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet one’s expectations. Often excuses will be made, stating that the source is unreliable, that the experiment was flawed or the opinion is too biased. More often than not this is simple circular reasoning: “I cannot agree with that source because it is untrustworthy because it disagrees with me”.

In other slightly more extreme cases, willful ignorance can involve outright refusal to read, hear or study, in any way, anything that does not conform to the person’s worldview. With regard to oneself, this can even extend to fake locked-in syndrome with complete unresponsiveness. Or with regard to others, to outright censorship of the material from others.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Are you one of those testable evidence folk?

Do you have top secret clearance to be able to do any testable evidence?
Do you have any qualifications at all?
If not I suggest you listen to those who do have top secret clearance, and take notes, educate yourself as to what they are saying and consider yourself lucky they are telling you anything at all.

Just gotta coment here...I gave ya a star because of the "willful ignorance" bit...there's way too much of that around.


Firstly, yes Jade would be one of those "testable evidence" types. Jade is an Astronomer and Astrobiologist, so what she knows, believes is more than us.

We should always demand some kind of evidence that CAN be tested...even if we have no idea how to test. What many fail to understand is that not all data can be shared to their satisfaction. Sometimes data is very volatile, and it doesn't remain long enough to be fully tested, sometimes data is received in such a manner that another can't collect it him/her self. Sometimes there simply isn't any method of recording said data.

None of these "failures" detracts from the value and content of the data, and it is usually the more rabid "I want evidence" types that will refuse to accept what are otherwise valid empirical observation. They also fail to understand that science was founded on empirical observation and of course repeatable experiment (events).

Then there is the "experts" who talk about this stuff. Like Mr. Helyer in the video above...he says some things that are quite simply untrue, and he knows it...in short he lies. Specifically; He states that there are ET species from Sirius, Orion, and the Pleiades. Life at these places, quite simply, isn't possible.

Sirius is a 400 million year old star. It is still in the planetary forming stages of its life...so...no life there...YET!

Orion quite simply is a collection of very young class "B" stars...Orion is too young too far, and will die out before evolving any significant life forms.

Pleiades...also a collection of young class "B" stars...too young to even have planets yet...so again, no life yet.

These are the three main sources of extraterrestrial both in ancient myth and in the modern day...yet none of them are capable of supporting the kind of life we want.

It is, however, important (in my opinion) to understand that all of these places may develop some kind of life over the next billion years or so...provided the stars don't burn out first. Sirius has a companion star that has already burned out...it too is about 400 million years old.

And, so that you don't confuse me with the other "testable evidence" types...I a guy who believes he has viable, testable evidence that I'm ET. And for the rest of y'all; we'll get to that evidence in time...at present, I'm not willing to discus it.

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord



Are you one of those testable evidence folk?
Do you have top secret clearance to be able to do any testable evidence?
Do you have any qualifications at all?

If not I suggest you listen to those who do have top secret clearance, and take notes, educate yourself as to what they are saying and consider yourself lucky they are telling you anything at all.

Just gotta coment here...I gave ya a star because of the "willful ignorance" bit...there's way too much of that around.
Firstly, yes Jade would be one of those "testable evidence" types. Jade is an Astronomer and Astrobiologist, so what she knows, believes is more than us.
We should always demand some kind of evidence that CAN be tested...even if we have no idea how to test. What many fail to understand is that not all data can be shared to their satisfaction. Sometimes data is very volatile, and it doesn't remain long enough to be fully tested, sometimes data is received in such a manner that another can't collect it him/her self. Sometimes there simply isn't any method of recording said data.
None of these "failures" detracts from the value and content of the data, and it is usually the more rabid "I want evidence" types that will refuse to accept what are otherwise valid empirical observation. They also fail to understand that science was founded on empirical observation and of course repeatable experiment (events).
Then there is the "experts" who talk about this stuff. Like Mr. Helyer in the video above...he says some things that are quite simply untrue, and he knows it...in short he lies. Specifically; He states that there are ET species from Sirius, Orion, and the Pleiades. Life at these places, quite simply, isn't possible.
Sirius is a 400 million year old star. It is still in the planetary forming stages of its life...so...no life there...YET!
Orion quite simply is a collection of very young class "B" stars...Orion is too young too far, and will die out before evolving any significant life forms.
Pleiades...also a collection of young class "B" stars...too young to even have planets yet...so again, no life yet.
These are the three main sources of extraterrestrial both in ancient myth and in the modern day...yet none of them are capable of supporting the kind of life we want.
It is, however, important (in my opinion) to understand that all of these places may develop some kind of life over the next billion years or so...provided the stars don't burn out first. Sirius has a companion star that has already burned out...it too is about 400 million years old.
And, so that you don't confuse me with the other "testable evidence" types...I a guy who believes he has viable, testable evidence that I'm ET. And for the rest of y'all; we'll get to that evidence in time...at present, I'm not willing to discus it.

Lol I can rofl imagine giving top secret testable evidence to someone from ATS and watching them blow themsleves sky high just like in this video.
Point is if your not in the circle of trust you get no testable evidence, because they wouldnt trust you with it. Like giving a kid some matches to test out fire is a real thing, totally ludicrous to ask for testable evidence.

Someone who wants some testable nuclear evidence to prove nuclear weapons exist on something other than thier TV screen, would be laughed out of any arena of sanity, what a joke.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Lol I can rofl imagine giving top secret testable evidence to someone from ATS and watching them blow themsleves sky high just like in this video.
Point is if your not in the circle of trust you get no testable evidence, because they wouldnt trust you with it. Like giving a kid some matches to test out fire is a real thing, totally ludicrous to ask for testable evidence.

Someone who wants some testable nuclear evidence to prove nuclear weapons exist on something other than thier TV screen, would be laughed out of any arena of sanity, what a joke.

Well, actually, anyone can get "testable" evidence...whether they are able to test it is another question. You speak of gathering testable evidence of nuclear weapons...that isn't very hard to find, but, not many would have any way to test it, and then the test wouldn't be accepted by most "skeptics"...as is evidenced here at ATS. And, of course, IF One was able to collect the evidence, AND test with good result...they might experience other "issues" stemming from that evidence.

But, TPTB don't have much to worry about...most people have absolutely no idea of HOW to test, or indeed, WHAT to test. So they sit around and complain that there isn't any evidence at all.