Forget Climategate: this ‘global warming’ scandal is much bigger

a reply to: PeterMcFly

Climate change is already causing economic disruption all over the world. Not doing anything is costing us now.

a reply to: Phage

And you know, the economy and status of the world theses days are so so... The US printing money like crazy and the Russians flexing theirs muscles in Europes.

As said before, what if the colossal sum of money involved in warming histeria would be invested in education, disease control and feed the world?

a reply to: PeterMcFly

But the measurements does not agree,

Which ones? The ones that show that CO2 levels are rising and the ones that show that temperatures are rising?

What if we nearly destroy the economy to avoid a small increase in temperature?

You think a 2º change in the average global temperature is small? How will the economy be destroyed? Spending money is what keeps economies going. Encouraging innovation into alternative energy sources and developing technologies to help us adapt to the changing climate will mitigate the initial capital required. In any case, the money spent will be far more the longer it takes. If our use of fossil fuels keeps increasing, that 2º will seem small but that doesn't mean it doesn't mean large changes.

a reply to: Phage

Which ones? The ones that show that CO2 levels are rising and the ones that show that temperatures are rising?

Since a couple of years, the temperature have not rised a lot, remember the article: "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent". I'm looking at the windows right now and find the winter here VERY present... Why the increase in ice at the Antarctic?

a reply to: Phage

You think a 2º change in the average global temperature is small?

So you're absolutly and positively sure temperature will increase and no negative cloud feedback will occur?

a reply to: PeterMcFly

Since a couple of years, the temperature have not rised a lot

Yeah. The same thing happened in the 70s. Guess what though, it started going up after that "pause." Climatologists don't claim to be able to predict decadal variations and decadal variations don't really matter. It's the long term that matters.

remember the article: "Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent".

No. I don't believe I do. But I have learned that mainstream media seldom gets science right.

Why the increase in ice at the Antarctic?

Because a changing climate has changed Antarctic weather patterns.

a reply to: Phage

No. I don't believe I do. But I have learned that mainstream media seldom gets science right.

But how the average Joe has to react when he's constantly bombarded by doom porn of warming? This article was citing an "authority"...

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

a reply to: Phage

Because a changing climate has changed Antarctic weather patterns.

So the warming cause cooling... Sorry but I don't buy that!

And what about the increased albedo of this increased ice surface? Is it not a negative feedback?

a reply to: PeterMcFly
Where does that authority say "snowfalls are a thing of the past?"

a reply to: PeterMcFly

So the warming cause cooling... Sorry but I don't buy that!

Maybe. In some places. That's what happens when climate changes, so does weather. Wind patterns change. Ice moves differently.

BTW. If the temperature is -20º water still freezes even if the temperature rises 10º.

a reply to: Phage

Where does that authority say "snowfalls are a thing of the past?"

"
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".
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This article date from Monday 20 March 2000, it's have been a "few" years since!

a reply to: PeterMcFly

That increased ice surface is super thin and begins melting before the Arctic summer even starts. It may sporadically act as a negative feedback but that will happen less and less as we continue to warm.

a reply to: PeterMcFly
Unfortunately, that "few years" is not included in the quotation from Viner.
But he didn't say "snowfalls are a thing of the past", did he?

a reply to: Phage

That's what happens when climate changes, so does weather. Wind patterns change. Ice moves differently.

To summarize, warming caused by CO2 increase will cause warming and cooling.

Then if we reduce CO2 level, what will it cause, cooling and warming? So to speak no difference!

a reply to: PeterMcFly

To summarize, warming caused by CO2 increase will cause warming and cooling.

Not a balanced summary.
Cooling perhaps in some locations, changes in ocean circulation patterns could cause that, but mostly warming. That's why it's called warming, because the average global temperature rises. That means most areas will get somewhat warmer and some will get a lot warmer.

Then if we reduce CO2 level, what will it cause, cooling and warming? So to speak no difference!

If we reduce the CO2 level (not much chance of that happening any time soon) the global average temperature will fall. Most places will get cooler.

a reply to: Phage

One thing for sure, the more I argue with "warming" proponents, the more I became convinced this is a fraud!

Sorry for being that rude but this is my impression.

a reply to: PeterMcFly

The more you say, the less I think you understand the science.

Sorry for being that rude but this is my impression.

a reply to: Phage

Variability is just a cover up for making it up as they go.

/sarcasm

originally posted by: PeterMcFly
Believe what you want, but even if you have it true that CO2 will trap heat, I believe that the Earth water cycle produce NEGATIVE feedback and will regulate the temperature accordingly.

Believe what you want.

This site has a motto of denying ignorance.

Most of us agree that it is ignorant to ignore the human changes and destruction that we are causing this planet. We have the intelligence and technology to live in a more sustainable system that what we are doing now. The economy argument is a bogus one.

Our economy will not fail if we collectively take a more environmental conservative approach to the way we do business.

a reply to: jrod

AMEN!