Islamic State Commander Claims Funding Coming From the United States

The title says 'funding coming from the united states' but the quote says 'coming through the international banking system'...those are two completely different things...

originally posted by: TheJourney
The title says 'funding coming from the united states' but the quote says 'coming through the international banking system'...those are two completely different things...

Not entirely. The funds have to originate from somewhere. The way in which they reach their destination is also, arguably, important.

The USA has mastered the funneling of cash into cartels, dictators, regimes, etc. Most notably the BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International) is involved in such schemes and dubious transactions. There isn't a Bank of America set up in Iraq. The money has to go from the US to an international bank(s) and then to it's intended payees.

The distinction is that during the Iraq War we shipped pallets of US dollars into Iraq. The use of international banks suggests that direct USD payouts weren't made, the money was transferred from the US into international banks and then to ISIS.

originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: TheJourney
The title says 'funding coming from the united states' but the quote says 'coming through the international banking system'...those are two completely different things...

Not entirely. The funds have to originate from somewhere. The way in which they reach their destination is also, arguably, important.

The USA has mastered the funneling of cash into cartels, dictators, regimes, etc. Most notably the BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International) is involved in such schemes and dubious transactions. There isn't a Bank of America set up in Iraq. The money has to go from the US to an international bank(s) and then to it's intended payees.

The distinction is that during the Iraq War we shipped pallets of US dollars into Iraq. The use of international banks suggests that direct USD payouts weren't made, the money was transferred from the US into international banks and then to ISIS.

So according to you, any money that goes through the international banking system can be assumed to have originated in the United States? Don't really see how that makes sense...

Stumbled upon this before, but good someone posted it here already!

I dunno what's with the nitpicking about Ben Swann... he's got nothing to do with this news, this is straight from the Pakistan press.

Other related article by the same outlet.

This is yet more major dynamite news which will be ignored by Western media...

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originally posted by: TheJourney

originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: TheJourney
The title says 'funding coming from the united states' but the quote says 'coming through the international banking system'...those are two completely different things...

Not entirely. The funds have to originate from somewhere. The way in which they reach their destination is also, arguably, important.

The USA has mastered the funneling of cash into cartels, dictators, regimes, etc. Most notably the BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International) is involved in such schemes and dubious transactions. There isn't a Bank of America set up in Iraq. The money has to go from the US to an international bank(s) and then to it's intended payees.

The distinction is that during the Iraq War we shipped pallets of US dollars into Iraq. The use of international banks suggests that direct USD payouts weren't made, the money was transferred from the US into international banks and then to ISIS.

So according to you, any money that goes through the international banking system can be assumed to have originated in the United States? Don't really see how that makes sense...

Read or re-read the declaration by Al-Salafi. He says the funding comes from the US:

“The US has been condemning the IS activities but unfortunately has not been able to stop funding of these organisations, which is being routed through the US,” a source said. “The US had to dispel the impression that it is financing the group for its own interests and that is why it launched offensive against the organisation in Iraq but not in Syria,” he added.

So perhaps the money came through the US banks from Saudi Arabia, perhaps from London bankers, perhaps through rogue US elements (read: the neocons). Doesn't change much to the whole meaning behind this declaration... that the US gov't KNOWS that that's been happening, and yet they're fighting a war against a puppet Enemy they (or their allies) financed themselves!

a reply to: swanne

Like Hezbollah and Hamas attacking Israel only to demand a cease fire when Israel responds and takes out several of their commanders.

What could be the motive for a terrorist group to claim the US funds it..

gee, im trying to think...

a reply to: WCmutant

Anyone who follows how US congress spends money can see they gave 500 million to Syrian Rebels, and that ended up with ISIS, that MADE them the big menace

CIA probably still supplies them and the captured commander is most likely telling the truth

Until all governments release annual audited figures of exactly how they spend OUR money, we only have the choice to believe, or not believe politicians, and I know where that goes.

When IS first came to our MSM screens, they were just a handfull of ragtag hooligans, trying to spin a tank, as I recall.

They could have easily been taken out by any Western governments special forces, and squished like a bug. But they were allowed to grow, almost nurtured, and adored by the MSM.

We have all seen the meteoric rise of these groups, and our governments answer?

" We will not negotiate with terrorists" but we can certainly throw you a hell of a lot of free airtime.

originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: WCmutant

Ben Swann is a leftist who has strong dislike of the current US government and who grasps anything to back his anti-americanism.

Islamist sects want to destroy Obama, and as soon as the heat gets up, suddenly the same islamists try and convince Swann that it's all the fault of big bad US gov. Furthermore, it seems they are very eager for us to believe them - Swann is so easy to convince, the islamists knew they didn't even have to provide actual proofs.

Just a shift of blame to diffuse the heat.

I'm not sold that Ben Swann is 100% a leftist. If he was a true leftist he would support Obama and the Democratic actions, he doesn't. Swann grasping for ratings is more likely.

The problem is that you are too easily dismissing something that has been talked about readily here on ATS. It doesn't mean that ATSers are right, it just means they were already seeing the tell-tale signs of the USA's complicity. You further exacerbate the situation continuing the Left vs. Right paradigm that is pretty much non-exist other than for a dramatic show to keep the sheeple bickering.

The dots are so easily connected. However, to quote Jesse Ventura from a recent (Ben Swann) interview:
"Once people believe a lie it becomes very difficult to change their minds."

This news is tremendously damning to the USA and people that are wrapped up in the paradigm of the USA being the knight in shining armor of the world will ALWAYS have a hard time believing or accepting this could be true. Furthermore, it may also serve as another reason for the USA to destroy ISIS before more news or proof about this gets out. But the USA has never had a history of supporting, cultivating, and propping up dictators and regimes that they've later toppled.

This is incorrect. You stated that if Swann was a true leftist he would support the Democrats and Obama.

News Flash: Obama and the Democrats are not true leftists AT ALL. They are actually centrists on the global political scale. Part of being a "real leftist" is you are against American imperialism and western imperialism generally, against US interventionism including what Obama and Bush did, generally against rapacious capitalism, which the Democrats still support, etc.

ISIS, ISIL, ISLAMIC STATE ,DAESH....I mean damn. Get your stuff together long enough to agree on a name and then we will start talking about giving you more responsibility. Now eat your vegetables.

The headline is a lie.

“revealed that he was getting funding – routed through America – to run the organisation in Pakistan and recruit young people to fight in Syria.”

Routed through the US, not from the US.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Routed through the US, not from the US.

But, it's easier to blame the US then it is to actually understand what is being said.

a reply to: WCmutant

Maybe what is meant is the money is coming from 'Muslim Brotherhood' or another group who reside in the US!

This claim is kind of a diabolical genius move. What better way to erode confidence and fuel suspicions of doubt regarding western powers?

a reply to: kosmicjack

The problem is the headline does not match the story. The story says money is coming from elsewhere NOT the US and is simply being routed through the US.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: WCmutant

Maybe what is meant is the money is coming from 'Muslim Brotherhood' or another group who reside in the US!

No, it flat out says the money is NOT coming from anyone residing in the US. It's coming from elsewhere and being routed through the US.

a reply to: neo96

So where are the sanctions then ??

Oh, I guess it is just more sheer stupidity that led to this problem.

Lets wait for the next major trigger for war then and get on the bandwagon of fixing self created problems.

originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: TheJourney
The title says 'funding coming from the united states' but the quote says 'coming through the international banking system'...those are two completely different things...

Not entirely. The funds have to originate from somewhere. The way in which they reach their destination is also, arguably, important.

It is an unsupported claim...and the claim is..

The Express-Tribune reported that a source close to the investigation into al Salafi confirmed that he “revealed that he was getting funding – routed through America – to run the organisation in Pakistan and recruit young people to fight in Syria.”

Hell..even if true...There is a reason tellers wash their hands often...money has been EVERYWHERE..

Routed through the USA? Maybe...Not originating with the USA...and certainly not the US Gov...

You need to at least match your own OP article to construct a conspiracy theory to play with IMO.

i give up

'Follow the Money': NSA Monitors Financial World

So im sure the U.S government will take action and put an end to money flowing from their country to terrorists, just like they did with the IRA, LOL.

Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?

The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.