‘American Sniper’ Complaints Grow in Hollywood: Should Clint Eastwood Be Celebrating a ‘Killer

As is ALWAYS the case, those that mock are usually ignorant of all the facts and almost ENTIRELY uneducated in history.
Usually marking themselves by some halfwit NAZI comparison.
Regular German army troops were heros too,ALL men to go before their nations are indeed heroic.
If they would NOT then conscription could find some like these ignorants who dismiss all of history and human nature for how things FEEL.
Choices made on the battlefield are indeed for KILLING the enemy...it's called "WAR" not "debate" for a reason.
MOST of us aren't fit to judge as it makes us UNINFORMED fools to do so.
"WAR BAD" isn't going to FLY in the real world and it isn't a warriors IDEA to start a war,just to win for their chosen nation state.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7

Regular German army troops were heros too,ALL men to go before their nations are indeed heroic.

Reading on the Russian front all I can say is holy crap. If those Germans were not Brave I dont know what is. The conditions and horror they faced between 1942 and 1945 is something very few have seen. And I think it would break most people down.

Because people need something to cry about. It makes them feel better. Misery loves company. Please don't enlist, you'll only get good soldiers killed.

a reply to: crazyewok

IT'S such CRAP hearing about how some FEEL when the poor bastards STUCK out there are poked at by those who do so little.
YES the job is ugly and to be good at it takes part of YOU with it,but it FAR beats LOOSING because you are NOT strong enough to win.
What corruption and evil has been done is NOT laid at the feet of those who fight but those in OFFICE.
All else is pathetic WHINNING and a COMPLETE detriment to our country.
ALL the while STILL watching the NEWS and claiming THEIR own people as "FACTS" ,only to find out THEY are wrong too.

I have no issue with Chris Kyle whatsoever. I think the man was honorable, heroic, and take no issue with any of his comments because, were I in his shoes, I'd be saying much worse things about the savages who were trying to kill him.

That said, how hypocritical is Hollywood? Spend 8 years bitching and whining about the war, then turn around and make millions of dollars from it? They are the ones bereft of morals and devoid of standards, not Chris Kyle.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I wasn't offering you to give you my life. But I would do it if it came to the line. I am not asking for your permission, or causing drama. Just stating the way I live my life. I don't know you, but would still defend your life, just as I would anyone else.

And yes I was referring to the Nazi.

Everyone has the choice to do good or bad. And people and nations, as long are they are allowed to govern themselves should have the right to defend themselves from evil. There is nothing wrong with that.

Now if everyone would refuse to commit acts of evil on others then armies would not be necessary. But armies are necessary for that very reason. Even the Bible states that God has an army of angels at his disposable to fight wickedness. So not all war is bad. And there are just reasons for defending yourself, even killing others who attack you.

In fact, whether you believe in the Bible or not, it talks of a future war called Armageddon, where it states that Satan will involve all of earth's political powers and armies in an all-out assault on God's people, and in a defensive (not offensive) maneuver God will step in with his holy army of angels to get rid of all wickedness, and human form of government.

"They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty...And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon." - Revelation 16:14, 16.

"In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." - Daniel 2:44.

Maybe Hollywood should do a movie about Obama sending drones to execute 4 American citizens without due process.

That perhaps is more cowardly (and illegal) than being a sniper.

a reply to: guitarplayer

Well ya I think it is also kinda sad people care more about a man that was sent overseas to kill people in a useless war based on lies that cost parents their kids lives for nothing other then corporate interest then a movie about a man that change the face of our nation and help put an end to the segregation of our nation.

a reply to: Jamie1

Close?

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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: guitarplayer

Well ya I think it is also kinda sad people care more about a man that was sent overseas to kill people in a useless war based on lies that cost parents their kids lives for nothing other then corporate interest then a movie about a man that change the face of our nation and help put an end to the segregation of our nation.

Both are American Heroes.

What's sad is self-important idiots in Hollywood choose to condemn one because of their obsession with liberal politics.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: guitarplayer

Well ya I think it is also kinda sad people care more about a man that was sent overseas to kill people in a useless war based on lies that cost parents their kids lives for nothing other then corporate interest then a movie about a man that change the face of our nation and help put an end to the segregation of our nation.

It's certainly not the first film/documentary about Martin Luther King, Jr. and most people have heard his story over and over.

Besides that, we've had enough movies lately that remind us how despicable racism is and how poorly blacks were treated in the past... at the risk of sounding completely insensitive, give it a rest already.

Healing is about moving on, not dwelling on the past and reminding white people how sh1tty they are every year with a new movie. I, for one, completely agree with Morgan Freeman's opinion on the matter:

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: iNobody

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Some of this discussion kind of reminds me a bit of how the Jewish people hunted down all the guards at the camps and made their lives hell, even decades and decades later, not caring that they were in the military simply following orders, not caring that some were actually quite humane, not caring that some were there at the threat of death to their own families. Hope that doesn't happen to soldiers in the wars we're having these days. That would suck.

I would give my life sooner than have someone force me to take someone else's. Including yours.

Those people could have refused to fight, they could have refused to be evil. Even if that meant persecution and maybe even death for them. They had the choice to do what was right.

As stated I think the trauma of what they were seeing made them shut down and go in to auto mode.

originally posted by: iNobody
Those people could have refused to fight, they could have refused to be evil. Even if that meant persecution and maybe even death for them. They had the choice to do what was right.

Seeing the sheer size and efficiency of the NAZI killing machine likely made many good men lose hope of making a difference through resistance. Hence why many just ended it with a bullet to the brain. resistance and refusing would mean torture and death and not a single bit of disruption to the camp. Only power they had was over there own live and if to end it.

I agree with everything you stated crazyewok. There is no doubt some felt helpless, and others seeing their helpless plight took their own lives. And no doubt that will happen again, in the future. And at the time, if you have no hope, it would be easier just to take your own life then endure what is going to befall mankind.

But if you have hope, then you can endure. Hope can make a person bare the worst of all evils, and maintain integrity. The ONLY way you could have a mindset like mine, or of those others who DID refuse to join the Nazi cause at forfeit of their freedom and life is faith and hope. Without these two things you could do neither, and you would do as you described.

a reply to: Answer

Wonderful quote by Morgan Freeman. Never heard it, but it was excellent. I agree with him.

When I talk about people, I don't refer to them as black, or Mexican, or whatever, if they are a different ethnicity or nationality to me. I decided in my mind a long time ago not to do that. I just refer to them as a man, or woman, or person, or their name.

I realize that it probably confuses people I'm with sometimes. But I agree with him on this. We shouldn't be calling each other by "white" or "black." We should just all stop it. We are all brothers and sisters, we are all humans, and should treat each other as such.

a reply to: neo96

Filmmakers have a right to make the films they wish to make. If people don't like they films they can refrain from seeing them or, if they do see them, voice their opinions about them. Where's the problem?

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: guitarplayer

Well ya I think it is also kinda sad people care more about a man that was sent overseas to kill people in a useless war based on lies that cost parents their kids lives for nothing other then corporate interest then a movie about a man that change the face of our nation and help put an end to the segregation of our nation.

It's certainly not the first film/documentary about Martin Luther King, Jr. and most people have heard his story over and over.

Besides that, we've had enough movies lately that remind us how despicable racism is and how poorly blacks were treated in the past... at the risk of sounding completely insensitive, give it a rest already.

Healing is about moving on, not dwelling on the past and reminding white people how sh1tty they are every year with a new movie. I, for one, completely agree with Morgan Freeman's opinion on the matter:

Morgan Freeman gets it.

originally posted by: queenofswords
Hollywood is never going to forgive Clint Eastwood for his "empty chair" speech.

If someone like Michael Moore had directed it, I don't think you would have heard a peep of criticism about anything.

Seriously? Clint Eastwood is deified in Hollywood. Get in touch with reality. The film was nominated for Best Picture. Get in touch with reality.

What does it matter, Hollywood has been glorying violence for 70 years what does one picture about a sniper mean in the great scheme of violence and savagery in Hollywood since practically its inception

The early gangster movies, the crime dramas from the 30’s to present all the way to the Stallone, Bruce Willis, Clint Eastwood's western shoot em ups, and more and worst over the years.

Hollywood is the violent mother and nurturer of this violent crazy society that we all suffer from: inner city crime, spree killers, serial killers, terrorism, racist and sexist crime etc., all are the child of Hollywood’s blood bath

The word moderation doesn’t even enter Hollywood’s sick mind.

a reply to: Willtell

Willtell, tell it like it is!

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I have no issue with Chris Kyle whatsoever. I think the man was honorable, heroic, and take no issue with any of his comments because, were I in his shoes, I'd be saying much worse things about the savages who were trying to kill him.

That said, how hypocritical is Hollywood? Spend 8 years bitching and whining about the war, then turn around and make millions of dollars from it? They are the ones bereft of morals and devoid of standards, not Chris Kyle.

Hollywood is not a single entity. Hollywood has no uniform policy or agenda. Hollywood, apart from being a location, is made up of individuals and companies ranging from one-person companies to large corporations. Most of the people controlling the purse-strings are concerned about only one thing: the financial bottom line. They would finance films about cross-stitching if they would make big money. The creative people in the industry are interested in the art and craft of filmmaking and money (some are concerned about making a living while others want fortunes). The screenwriters, in addition to wanting to make a living and write commercially viable scripts, want to practice their art and craft and tell good stories. The directors, in addition to wanting to make a living and direct commercially viable films so they can work again, want to practice their art and craft and tell good stories. The actors, in addition to wanting to make a living, want to practice their art and craft and give good performances. The tradespeople, in addition to wanting to make a living, want to practice their crafts. Pretty much everyone wants to be recognized for excellence. There is no place where everyone in Hollywood gathers and establishes an agenda (ie. promote war, glorify killers, oppose war, expose governmental corruption, etc.). Bottom line, Hollywood has no ideological agenda. It's a myth.