ChemChasers a new reality TV concept + local images

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

As you can see I have read through your posted data in full, now please watch this presentation below in full.

I watched it. What do you find compelling in the presentation?

@ 0:18 he begins showing a plane 'spraying' for one minute. According to the info displayed just prior, the plane is travelling at 467 mph. That's almost 8 mpm (miles per minute). If that plane was 'spraying' a "chemtrail" where did the chems go? Why did they come out invisible, quickly expand into a cloudy trail and then just disappear, like they evaporated? What chemical(s) would do that?

@ 2:35 he throws up some text claiming "Spray on from underside Tail section". Note there are two trails and two engines, but apparently he assumes 'spray' from the tail section due to the gap between the engines and trails. Ok, compare this to @ 3:53, now just claiming "Underside spraying". Four trails in line with the four engines kinda takes the "Tail spraying" off the table so to speak, but note the gap between engines and trails. What chemical(s) would come out invisible like that and then suddenly form the cloud trail?

This question has been asked many times, I've never seen it answered by a believer.

Water is the only answer that makes sense. science-edu.larc.nasa.gov...

If you find anything wrong here let us know.

If you are really worried about "chemtrails" here is a technique that is claimed to work that will get rid of them.

For some reason I really want the show to be made and I want them to take themselves seriously.


I think it would be very entertaining.

a reply to: chemchasers

Heres a link to our interview. sorry to burst your bubble but they are real and we get thousands of pics from every country with the same patterns

Well then where are the test results done while a so called chemtrail is being sprayed, and since your so sure they exist provide that result as it should be out there?



Alex Jones...Really?

Here you like youtube videos with Aex Jones about chemtrails...



Enjoy...

BTW you have nothing that could burst the bubble when it comes to persistent contrails...as chemtrails don't exist.

originally posted by: chemchasers
This is Chemchasers.com here, for all those who still don't believe check out chemchasers recent interview with infowars breaking down the code name and documents used to detect chemtrails on radar, the news admits it and calls it chaff, look up chaff weather news on youtube if you dare.

chaff is small aluminium strips used to confuse radar. It has been in use since WW2 - it is easily visible to the naked eye, and when "sprayed" looks nothing like contrails.

congratulations - you have just shown why infowars is a laughing stock.

a reply to: chemchasers

Well, for everyone who might be wondering whether you might have a point with your claims, thanks for naming chaff in your very first post and this proving that you have neither point nor clue

a reply to: chemchasers

www.youtube.com...

Have you ever done any research whatsoever into chaff, because it seems you may have not?

Look I think you need to start here and work your way through this forum...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As it will enlighten you to your misconceptions regarding chemtrails, chaff, and persistent contrails and why they linger and spread.

Don't take this the wrong way...but boy your research is so far off.

a reply to: chemchasers

Heres a link to our interview. sorry to burst your bubble but they are real and we get thousands of pics from every country with the same patterns

I also hate to blow your bubble...but you discuss the meeting in Shasta county where the tests results were exaggerated, and when looked at correctly it proves the chemtrailing in Shasta doesn't happen.

a reply to: chemchasers

It's funny, your site claims you are looking for the "truth". I wonder, if the "truth" went against chemtrails, would you still be interested in it?

a reply to: network dude

I think we can all pretty much expect him to not answer any of your questions, after all, they have a sca...i mean website to run. He's busy!

Same "debunkers" saying the same old things in this thread. Let's examine it:

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OPUFO3257142119
Suspicious equals believer. Sorry I'm not buying the "I'm just suspicious of these things" when easily accessible scientific data exists that you can go read right now (some of which I just posted) which says that there is nothing to be suspicious about.

Wow. The "new" scientific method demands that one can no longer be a skeptic, and the truth is no longer tentative.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
...we can give you information that shows chemtrails do not exist, but how you use that information is all up to you.

Except of course if you refute any of the evidence, highlight the limitations of how this evidence actually applies, or talk about something like the distortion of statistics, in which case you will be ridiculed.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: OPUFO3257142119
By using the word suspicious you allow yourself to look like you are trying to be open minded, but a real open minded person would already have read the MOUNTAINS of evidence that debunk this conspiracy and realized that there is nothing more to it than just contrails. Instead you act coy and pretend like there is a debate when no debate exists. There is just reality and then there are the people who deny reality. Which are you?

But hey, let's humor your claim. What exactly makes you suspicious about contrails? What makes you doubt all the evidence out there that says it is a dumb idea?

i.e., Either you are of the same opinion as US, the anti-conspiracy crowd, or we will "humor your claim," which means all opinions that could in any way support that what you see in the sky may somehow be a danger are not to be respected. This thug tactic directly violates the decorum for this subforum:

As with many of the topics we discuss on ATS, Geo-Engineering and Chemtrails are controversial and prone to challenge. While skepticism and constructive criticism are always welcome, they are all too often supplanted by insults and cynicism, which disrupt discussion and discourage healthy debate.

A core principle of ATS is providing our members a place where they can discuss "alternative" topics without fear of intimidation, ridicule or retaliation. Our forums intentionally encourage the exploration of subjects that are often ignored or shouted down in other venues, because that's the only way ignorance of them can ever be denied.

Thus it is of utmost importance that all ATSers understand and respect the rights of other members to express their opinions in an atmosphere of mutual respect and tolerance for different points of view.

Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: network dude
In all actuality, the only thing the debunkers here are saying is those lines in the sky that look like contrails, are most likely contrails.

Yeah right, the ONLY thing being said, along with this:

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Yea, it just kind of proves what I already knew. The only thing you are interested in is what you think sounds good.
Please ignore any and all factual information presented. (as you have diligently so far)

And for the love of GOD, don't go outside without wearing a face mask. They are spraying in your area today!

i.e., basic ridicule used to discredit anyone who has an unpopular opinion. Establish social truth!

Demand evidence from anyone suspected of being a chemtrail believer of a type that is impossible to obtain unless you are skilled, resouceful, and wealthy:

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: OPUFO3257142119
Again why has not one chemtrail pusher ever had a sample taken when a so called chemtrail is sprayed?

Deny any issue associated with persistent contrails is important, encourage ignorance of anything except anti-conspiracy theory:

originally posted by: network dude
There are real issues in this world. Things that desperately need our attention. This isn't one of them. This is about clouds.

Post banners to reinforce how "stupid" anyone is who has an opinion that runs counter to anti-conspiracy theory:

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

There is no discussion possible here.

And yet here you are...the same....."believer"....trying to discuss it......

a reply to: Petros312

Oh please. Spare me.

If you were honest you would know that these guys have have provided page after page, post after post of respectful, fact filled information and discussion. Their patience with and respect for the members who believe in this crap is nothing but admirable. ALL they are doing is attempting to educate.

So they occasionally take the mickey out of people refuse to be taught BASIC science and who argue against irrefutable facts like children who refuse to listen. Big whoop. Anyone on the receiving end of that rare scorn deserved it. Everyone has their limit.
Read their posts. These guys are FAR more respectful than any chemmie has ever been.

a reply to: Petros312

It's very telling telling that you aim straight for the posts where someone's patience has been tested to the limit, whilst completely ignoring all the patient, polite and factual posts and genuine invitations to discuss evidence that have preceded them over thousands of threads over many years. Some of us have been here for a decade or more waiting for that killer piece of evidence that cannot be debunked.

The way in which you seek to discredit people without even trying to discuss the topic, portray disbelief in actual chemtrail activity as "anti conspiracy" (chemtrails aren't the only one you know), and use the word "debunker" as if weeding out bunk information is a bad thing, show me why you used the word "insidious" in another thread. You betray yourself by your actions.

I would love a proper discussion on this topic without all this "poor me, nasty debunkers" crap. I've actually had some fantastic conversations and learned things about Geoengineering from having discussions with believers who DIDNT go straight into "playing the victim" mode. I wish there were more like them.

a reply to: Petros312

Since you are so fond of the T&C, I invite you to read the section on discussing other members.

A hint on that, the whole idea behind it is that who I am isn't really that important. If what I say is something you are interested in, respond.

If you feel that something I said is mean, or insensitive, or inflammatory, hit the alert button and tell the moderators why you disliked my comment.

Lastly, why do you continue to ignore the facts presented and worry about the delivery? This is a discussion site, not preschool. If you have debate skills and can read, this could be a wonderful place. But if you just want others to slap your back and tell you how bad "they are spraying you", go to one of the chemmie love-in sites.

a reply to: Petros312

I would like them to debunk this neurosurgeon.


And also Kristen Meghan.


Both nuts, I guess.

And that every single thing in this video is BS too.


Aluminum, barium, strontium. pH changes to more alkaline. If this is happening, why? It's not climate change. It's not increases due to increased air traffic or changes in fuel. So what is it?

And please explain where the massive increases in autism and Alzheimer's and asthma are coming from, particularly in high air traffic and contrail activity. And how massive wildlife dieoffs are just blantantly disregarded?

And how it is totally unrealistic to think that geoengineering would not have side effects to humans and to the planet?

Also, debunkers, please tell us how you got samples of military fuel and jet fuel to test and how you took samples to labs and got them to give you the results.

And why you disregard people who are testing the water and the soil and are finding increased levels?

Thanks. We'll wait.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

I know these can be answered and debunked easily. They have been before. I can't right now as m just finishing lunch and have a 2.30 deadline. But they can be debunked.

Also. There is no proven link between aluminium and Alzeimer's. If that were the case, we would all be totally screwed as we all use Al cans.

Now. Once your questions are answered (and im sure they will be), do you promise to answer any questions asked of you and not resort to "well, whatever, I KNOW it's going on"

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Kristen Meghan had nothing to do with chemtrails. She was talking about exposure to chemicals on base. She uses the exact same arguments that people on ATS use. "Contrails dissipate rapidly, chemtrails linger" to explain the difference between the two.

In her own words:

My whistleblowing is not related to chemtrails, it is related to industrial ground activities that overexposed the workers and they didn't want it reported, and since I took the samples, they wanted to demonize me in case I spoke out.

It is going through what I did as a whistleblower than led to my activism. Chemtrails and the TSA are my biggest topics I am linked to.

www.metabunk.org...

All the elements that people say are in chemtrails are also naturally occurring. There is more mining, especially with fracking, going on, which leads to more elements being released into the air, which leads to higher exposures.

Go to the airport and buy it. Anyone can buy fuel from a flight school, or any of the businesses that sell fuel.