ChemChasers a new reality TV concept + local images

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
a reply to: network dude
100% open and once again passing judgment "stanch believer" lose your attitude or bounce. Talk with respect sir

No attitude, just don't like talking to someone who has no chance of listening. I would hope you understand that. And if you re-read my unicorn explanation, it's not there to antagonize, only to enlighten you to the fact that it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist.

What is it that you believe you are seeing in these pictures?

It's my belief, and that of over 100 years of provable science that those are most likely contrails.
link to the science that explains contrails.

Contrails are clouds formed when water vapor condenses and freezes around small particles (aerosols) that exist in aircraft exhaust. Some of that water vapor comes from the air around the plane; and, some is added by the exhaust of the aircraft.
The exhaust of an aircraft contains both gas (vapor) and solid particles. Both of these are important in the formation of contrails. Some elements of the exhaust gasses are not involved in contrail formation but do constitute air pollution. Emissions include carbon dioxide, water vapor, nitrogen oxides (NOx), carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons such as methane, sulfates (SOx), and soot and metal particles.

Now, please understand that nothing I have written is mean spirited or aimed at being rude. I am presenting evidence to explain why I feel those pictures you posted are most likely contrails. If you disagree, please explain why.

Geo Engineering/SRM/SAG "Global Dimming"

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: 3danimator2014

I've been thinking lately about starting a thread to not only challenge the "chemtrail" believers to put their money where their mouths are so to speak but also giving details as to how, together, they could accomplish this task of aerial testing of an actual trail.

I'm sure an acceptable plan could be devised and funded through a Kickstarter type campaign.

ETA:

Something proper we can discuss and if faults were found in how you sampled the air, then i know for a fact that anyone in here would be more than happy that a: you at least tried and b: to offer advice on improving your experiment.

Those are examples of things that could be worked out before testing. It could all be worked out and 'agreed upon' prior to the testing, I would think.

Starting a thread to Challenge everyone to get people to start a kickstarter champaign and get proof is a great Idea and all of us should contribute to getting this going, this is perfect skeptic's and person who feel it is occurring.

Papers like this are the reason the public has questions and are suspicious about chemtrails and there intended use.

Now do all of you feel this is a crackpot paper?
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
PDF
csat.au.af.mil...


2025
is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the
concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space
force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school
environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense.

Basic Data: en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Geo Engineering/SRM/SAG "Global Dimming"

Contrails, Persisting, wind blown .

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
Papers like this are the reason the public has questions and are suspicious about chemtrails and there intended use.

Now do all of you feel this is a crackpot paper?
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
PDF
csat.au.af.mil...


2025
is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the
concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space
force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school
environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense.

Basic Data: en.wikipedia.org...

The problem is though, there's no reason to think the trails are anything other than contrails. There are no chemtrails so no reason to be suspicious about them and their intended use. You're trying to solve a murder mystery when there isn't even a missing person

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Now do all of you feel this is a crackpot paper?

Yes because it is a fictional paper as it says right here and you seemed to miss...

2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the
concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space
force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school
environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The
views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the
United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.
This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or
events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.

csat.au.af.mil...

It helps to read a bit more than just the first couple of lines.

Basic Data: en.wikipedia.org...

What exactly do you think this is telling you, because in the first two lines it tells you it is banned by the UN?

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Starting a thread to Challenge everyone to get people to start a kickstarter champaign and get proof is a great Idea and all of us should contribute to getting this going, this is perfect skeptic's and person who feel it is occurring.

Yet when the results come back the goalposts will be moved again. Chemtrail believers will never be satisfied.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Hay pal, I read far more than just the first lines. The point is they are thinking about it, working with think tanks. SO PLEASE have better comments than just trying to attack people in a way to make them look uninformed. I have read this paper and find it to be very good evidence of nefarious happening within the establishment.

Did you just read the first couple of lines? because thats all your commenting on about this paper.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Starting a thread to Challenge everyone to get people to start a kickstarter champaign and get proof is a great Idea and all of us should contribute to getting this going, this is perfect skeptic's and person who feel it is occurring.

Yet when the results come back the goalposts will be moved again. Chemtrail believers will never be satisfied.

Dude take off your of no use here!

a reply to: mrthumpy
please review the paper over the next few days.

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Hay pal, I read far more than just the first lines. The point is they are thinking about it, working with think tanks.

Easy there slim...do you think this is the first time this fictional paper has been discussed here, no it isn't.

SO PLEASE have better comments than just trying to attack people in a way to make them look uninformed.

What do you want, as your pushing a fictional paper as though it's the truth and it isn't.

I have read this paper and find it to be very good evidence of nefarious happening within the establishment.

So you have read it, but you seemingly just forgot the fact that the paper is fictional...meaning not real, so it isn't happening.

Did you just read the first couple of lines? because thats all your commenting on about this paper.

Again not my first chemtrail thread where that was trotted out as evidence. So to assume I haven't read it is a fallacy.

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

Dude take off your of no use here!

Again why has not one chemtrail pusher ever had a sample taken when a so called chemtrail is sprayed?

And you pushing crap as truth is?

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
a reply to: mrthumpy
please review the paper over the next few days.

Why? I already understand contrails

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Like I said Papers like this are the reason the public has questions and are suspicious about chemtrails and there intended use. Government talking this way fuels this kind of thinking man.
No # its fiction like all can see it is stated at the beginning, don't put words in my mouth about saying I said it was fact when what I said is THIS IS WHY people are suspicious.

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
Papers like this are the reason the public has questions and are suspicious about chemtrails and there intended use.

Now do all of you feel this is a crackpot paper?
Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025
PDF
csat.au.af.mil...


2025
is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the
concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space
force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school
environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense.

Basic Data: en.wikipedia.org...

Papers like this would not be any sort of problem unless people like you cherry picked the quotes they took from them.

Why didn't you include the rest of hte disclaimer?

Here is the full text - my highlighting:

2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the
concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space
force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school
environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The
views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the
United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government.
This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or
events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only.
This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared
for public release.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

It certainly reflects there views they more than likely paid for it to be generated

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Like I said Papers like this are the reason the public has questions and are suspicious about chemtrails and there intended use. Government talking this way fuels this kind of thinking man.
No # its fiction like all can see it is stated at the beginning, don't put words in my mouth about saying I said it was fact when what I said is THIS IS WHY people are suspicious.

No. The reason people are suspicious about chemtrails and their intended use is they don't understand contrails

a reply to: OPUFO3257142119

You have almost got it. Yes, contrails block sunlight just like clouds do. It's not intentional, it's a by-product of powered flight. But, did you know that overall, the contrails have a net warming affect? So the IPCC would be happier if they didn't exist. But there is no way to avoid them and still maintain a profitable airline.

Now, using the 2025 paper as proof of anything is foolish and you know it. You even comprehend what it is. An uninformed person might jump on the paranoia bandwagon about it, but not someone who knows what it is. It was an exercise for USAF cadets. A "what if" kind of paper. Maybe somewhere, Dr. Evil is wringing his hands with a copy of it and swears he will make it true, just after he puts frickin lazer beams on sharks. But until he announces his evil plan and asks for 1 meelion dollars, it's still just an exercise.

If you read the link I posted in the first paragraph it mentions that air traffic will double by 2025. Meaning that unless you get educated about contrails, you are going to have to worry about hairy conniptions and even worse medical conditions in the near future. (can you imagine the panic if there were twice as many lines in the sky as there are now?)

There are real issues in this world. Things that desperately need our attention. This isn't one of them. This is about clouds.

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
FROM LINK: www.nycaviation.com... g-chemtrails/#.VK9jFqPLeK9
Here it says that these trails ARE changing the environment buy heating and cooling

Changing the environment != changing the climate or even the weather. All it said is that the air gets a little warmer or a little cooler. That doesn't mean that rain clouds will move in or anything.

Then in the final section about chem trail movement it states that persons with this view believe that the government is doing this to modify the climate. Well the above statement points to modification; weather intentional or not.

You are stretching here man. Contrail environmental effects aren't done on purpose. They are just a small side effect of flying a jet.

Then a simple search for
“geo engineering cloud seeding climate change” (duckduckgo)
you get lots of gov and mainstream info on Programs to modify the climate via Geo Engineering relecting sunlight to change the climate.

But none of that has to do with contrails or chemtrails as has already been pointed out to you.

AND THAT IS WHAT THIS TREAD IS ABOUT NOT GLOBAL DEPOPULATION!
The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in climate engineering projects

en.wikipedia.org...

More like you don't know what the difference between cloud seeding and contrails are.

As you can see I have read through your posted data in full, now please watch this presentation below in full.

I'm glad you read through it all. But you are still missing the point. Contrails AREN'T evidence of cloud seeding. Therefore they AREN'T chemtrails. Yes, cloud seeding occurs. Yes, it is done for weather manipulation purposes. No, it isn't done for nefarious purposes. It still isn't even very effective right now.

FYI: A youtube documentary doesn't trump scientific evidence. I only accept textual evidence. So if you want me to see things from your side, give me a link to scientific data.

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

It certainly reflects there views

And you have evidence that supports this in direct contradiction to the disclaimer you "forgot" to quote??

they more than likely paid for it to be generated

Of course they paid for it - it was a student assignment by serving officers as an exercise in thinking - it says so!!!