ChemChasers a new reality TV concept + local images

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: OPUFO3257142119
Were are you guys getting all this time on your hands to type all this out.

Well. I just finished cooking and eating tacos with the missus and im lying on the sofa typing this on my phone while Shaun of the Dead is on. Hardy taxing or time consuming. ...

Lucky......

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

as a common chemtrail proponent plaim is :

"the entire sky is covered "

then using a 2m helium baloon and a simple [ relativly ] barrel and plunger collection vessel

plus nessecary extras as :

radio control / tracking and GPS to :

release baloon [ remotley at altitude ]

actuate sample collection

deploy descent drogue

then a general atmpsphere sample from 10000m ASL could be collected relativly cheaply

if exact co-ordinates of sample are not required - just a sample from 10km with the provisio thsat it would be somehere in a predictable patern from the release point

i recon £1000 quid and each subsequent flight would be cheaper [ as consumables is mainly the ground based helium cylinder and replacement balloon ]

PS - estimate does not include assay services on sample

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

as a common chemtrail proponent plaim is :

"the entire sky is covered "

then using a 2m helium baloon and a simple [ relativly ] barrel and plunger collection vessel

plus nessecary extras as :

radio control / tracking and GPS to :

release baloon [ remotley at altitude ]

actuate sample collection

deploy descent drogue

then a general atmpsphere sample from 10000m ASL could be collected relativly cheaply

if exact co-ordinates of sample are not required - just a sample from 10km with the provisio thsat it would be somehere in a predictable patern from the release point

i recon £1000 quid and each subsequent flight would be cheaper [ as consumables is mainly the ground based helium cylinder and replacement balloon ]

PS - estimate does not include assay services on sample

Before any chemmie chimes in to say "yes, but you debunkers won't accept the results even if we DID do this.."

Maybe, maybe not (that would depend on many factors of your experiment) but at least it would be SOMETHING. At least it would be a start. Something proper we can discuss and if faults were found in how you sampled the air, then i know for a fact that anyone in here would be more than happy that a: you at least tried and b: to offer advice on improving your experiment.

Believe it or not, to the genuine chemtrail believer, we are on your side and want to help you find the truth. Even if that truth happens to be that we ARE actually being sprayed.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

I've been thinking lately about starting a thread to not only challenge the "chemtrail" believers to put their money where their mouths are so to speak but also giving details as to how, together, they could accomplish this task of aerial testing of an actual trail.

I'm sure an acceptable plan could be devised and funded through a Kickstarter type campaign.

ETA:

Something proper we can discuss and if faults were found in how you sampled the air, then i know for a fact that anyone in here would be more than happy that a: you at least tried and b: to offer advice on improving your experiment.

Those are examples of things that could be worked out before testing. It could all be worked out and 'agreed upon' prior to the testing, I would think.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Nice idea. But i wouldn't hold your breath (no pun intended). Even though you are right, and the members in here would be happy to help devise an appropriate experiment. the trouble is that they have to agree that the science we all repeat ad nauseum is correct and verify it themselves, but no one seems willing to do that. They seem to prefer to "trust their eyes"

Unless that is barrier is broken, then its all fruitless.

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

They're not interested in being challenged..

I tried it nearly 5 years ago..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And 4 years ago..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A kick starter campaign could work, but it was to be done by a trusted chemtrail person..ok I almost said that with a straight face.

If a skeptic or debunker does it, it'll get dismissed instantly.

a reply to: Chadwickus

If a skeptic or debunker does it, it'll get dismissed instantly.

Then we do it together.

Believe me, I understand what you're saying but things have changed a little since then. For example, we now know that virtually all trails are "chemtrails" as today's high bypass ratio turbofans are virtually incapable of producing contrails.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Believe it or not, to the genuine chemtrail believer, we are on your side and want to help you find the truth. Even if that truth happens to be that we ARE actually being sprayed.

Interestingly enough, every time I have said something like that, or seen someone else say it, it was ignored completely. almost as if the chemtrail proponents would rather just have someone to be mad at. (it's obvious that even when it's shown that they were lied to by the very one's who they trust for information it doesn't phase them in the slightest.)

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
Believe it or not, to the genuine chemtrail believer, we are on your side and want to help you find the truth. Even if that truth happens to be that we ARE actually being sprayed.

Interestingly enough, every time I have said something like that, or seen someone else say it, it was ignored completely. almost as if the chemtrail proponents would rather just have someone to be mad at. (it's obvious that even when it's shown that they were lied to by the very one's who they trust for information it doesn't phase them in the slightest.)

Yeah, sadly, as i was typing it out, i knew that the only people who would actually be reading it and actually taking it in were you guys. LOL

A twist on the idea to possibly expedite the results. Two "Heavy-weights" in the field agree on parameters for the test and loser pays. I won't name them or wager their cash for them but I believe the two I'm thinking of could get this done, or at the very least one would have to hang his head in eternal shame. (That "one" has a donate button)

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
A twist on the idea to possibly expedite the results. Two "Heavy-weights" in the field agree on parameters for the test and loser pays. I won't name them or wager their cash for them but I believe the two I'm thinking of could get this done, or at the very least one would have to hang his head in eternal shame. (That "one" has a donate button)

Yeah..good luck with that

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

If I had the capital, I would challenge Dane and Cliff to ride along on a jet sample flight (since as you said all contrails that persist MUST be chemtrails based on Wiggingtons new engine claims) and make the wager that if the trails sampled were as we thought, ice and air, they would have to pay the bill and come clean to their audience.

But as Daddy always said, don't bet what you cannot afford to loose even if it's a sure thing.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
A twist on the idea to possibly expedite the results. Two "Heavy-weights" in the field agree on parameters for the test and loser pays. I won't name them or wager their cash for them but I believe the two I'm thinking of could get this done, or at the very least one would have to hang his head in eternal shame. (That "one" has a donate button)

Yeah..good luck with that

Maybe I'm wrong but I believe the person I'm thinking of would do this. Anyone know if this particular challenge has been tried already?

a reply to: network dude

Wouldn't it be funny if the jet sent up to sample the trails left its own trail.

I think their heads would explode!

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
A twist on the idea to possibly expedite the results. Two "Heavy-weights" in the field agree on parameters for the test and loser pays. I won't name them or wager their cash for them but I believe the two I'm thinking of could get this done, or at the very least one would have to hang his head in eternal shame. (That "one" has a donate button)

Yeah..good luck with that

Maybe I'm wrong but I believe the person I'm thinking of would do this. Anyone know if this particular challenge has been tried already?

Are you not allowed to say who it is? Are the rules really that strict on ATS?

Actually, i know they are. Apparently, i severely violated the Ts and Cs yesterday with my post about what i don't believe in. I have no idea what i said that was so wrong, but there you go.

a reply to: Chadwickus

LOL! Chances are it would! That would be comedy GOLD!

a reply to: Chadwickus

LOL...now thats funny.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Are you not allowed to say who it is?

I don't know if I am or not actually. I won't come out and say who because I already feel kinda bad for hinting. I got a little excited by the thought of actually getting this testing done. I wasn't trying to put him on the spot so to speak. It's not his responsibility.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Here's your evidence, though I wonder if you will read through either of those links.

Chemtrails - Rationalwiki

The Conspiracy That Isn’t: Debunking Chemtrails

FROM LINK: www.nycaviation.com... g-chemtrails/#.VK9jFqPLeK9
Here it says that these trails ARE changing the environment buy heating and cooling


Then in the final section about chem trail movement it states that persons with this view believe that the government is doing this to modify the climate. Well the above statement points to modification; weather intentional or not.


Then a simple search for
“geo engineering cloud seeding climate change” (duckduckgo)
you get lots of gov and mainstream info on Programs to modify the climate via Geo Engineering relecting sunlight to change the climate.



AND THAT IS WHAT THIS TREAD IS ABOUT NOT GLOBAL DEPOPULATION!
The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in climate engineering projects

en.wikipedia.org...

As you can see I have read through your posted data in full, now please watch this presentation below in full.


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