Jeremiah 31 : 31

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Jeremiah says

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

I have a Doubt here

what is the Difference Between Israel and Judah Here ..are both of them same or different community during that days

someone please Explain

Thanks

a reply to: SajeevJino

Judah was Jacobs son...
Jacob was renamed Israel...
Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons...

These sons were heads of the 12 Tribes...

Judah's tribe is the House of Judah...
The House of Israel is associated with the Lost Tribes...



You should know this given your Avatar!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

very Thanks for the Reply ..

Actually I'm a Christian But Inspired by Judaism

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: SajeevJino

Judah was Jacobs son...
Jacob was renamed Israel...
Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons...

These sons were heads of the 12 Tribes...

Judah's tribe is the House of Judah...
The House of Israel is associated with the Lost Tribes...



You should know this given your Avatar!

This is not entirely correct.
Israel is not "associated with the Lost Tribes".
Israel and Judah were the two Kingdoms - Judah in the South, Israel in the North.
The split that created the two occurred after Solomon's death, when his son, Rehoboam, took the throne in 932BC.
From that point on, Israel and Judah were ruled by separate kings - as detailed in 1st/2nd Chronicles in the Bible.

a reply to: Awen24
In fact you are both right, because the tribes of the northern kingdom were taken into exile by the Assyrians and thus became "the lost tribes".
(Their true fate is that they were probably absorbed into the culture of the places where they were taken)

a reply to: DISRAELI

Nice to see you in this Thread ..

Did any Positive news about the Lost Tribes ..!!!

One Good News about some Israeli's Found the Lost Tribe the Bene Israeli's in india ..and they too made Aliyah

www.cbn.com...

Please explain about this too

Meanwhile found a Link in wiki about Lot Tribes ..!!!

en.wikipedia.org...

In addition, conspiracy theorists have traditionally believed that the lost tribes may form a secret group controlling world events

originally posted by: Awen24

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: SajeevJino

Judah was Jacobs son...
Jacob was renamed Israel...
Jacob (Israel) had 12 sons...

These sons were heads of the 12 Tribes...

Judah's tribe is the House of Judah...
The House of Israel is associated with the Lost Tribes...



You should know this given your Avatar!

This is not entirely correct.
Israel is not "associated with the Lost Tribes".
Israel and Judah were the two Kingdoms - Judah in the South, Israel in the North.
The split that created the two occurred after Solomon's death, when his son, Rehoboam, took the throne in 932BC.
From that point on, Israel and Judah were ruled by separate kings - as detailed in 1st/2nd Chronicles in the Bible.

Quite right! It seems when the people returned to Israel from Babylon there was no kingdom distinction between Israel and Judah. They were not allowed to return for 70 years, so those who were babies when exiled would have been at the very least in old age upon returning. The ones who returned were a new generation. Strange that this followed suit with the Hebrews in Sinai. The generation that entered the Promised Land were subsequent to those who left Egypt.

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
It seems when the people returned to Israel from Babylon there was no kingdom distinction between Israel and Judah. They were not allowed to return for 70 years, so those who were babies when exiled would have been at the very least in old age upon returning.

The Northern Kingdom of Israel had been conquered already, and those tribes exiled to certain locations already in the Assyrian Empire. When the people of Judea returned from Babylon as it's described in the Book of Ezra, the Assyrian Empire had already fallen and been replaced by other empires by then. The Northern Tribes were almost never heard from again, which I find really odd, unless they truly assimilated and lost their religion and culture pretty quickly. The Assyrian exile was a bit worse than the Babylonian one, in the sense of religious persecution. The Babylonian deportees were usually allowed to keep their religion and customs, so long as they were good citizens.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

The Israelite exiles were settled mainly in the Assyrian provinces in Upper Mesopotamia (biblical Aram-Naharaim), along the Habor River in the vicinity of Gozan (Tell-Ḥalāf). After 716 when some "cities of the Medes" came under Assyrian control, some Israelites were resettled in Media (II Kings 17:6; 18:11; probably in the province of Ḫarḫar (Diakonoff in Bibliography)). In I Chronicles 5:26 there is the addition "and Hara" (הרא: LXX, Lucian recension kai harran, possibly referring to Haran (cf. Isa. 11:11)).

Notwithstanding the manifold legends fabricated about the exile of the so-called "*Ten Lost Tribes," there is no certain information about the fate of the Israelite exiles in Mesopotamia during the Assyrian empire or at a later period. Only a few extant allusions in the Bible and in epigraphic sources testify to their existence. Of the latter sources, the onomastic evidence from Mesopotamia contained in Assyrian documents dated to the end of the eighth and to the seventh centuries is of particular significance, since it presents names which are known from the Bible to be Israelite.

Traces of Israelite captives (and possibly even Judeans) seem to appear from the end of the eighth century at Calah (present-day Nimrud) on the Tigris, then capital of Assyria. An Aramaic ostracon discovered there lists Northwest Semitic personal names, some of which are common in Israel, such as Elisha, Haggai, Hananel, and Menahem. This document possibly concerns a group of Israelites who lived in Calah alongside Phoenician and Aramean elements, and who worked as craftsmen in one of the enterprises of the Assyrian kingdom.

a reply to: SajeevJino
On the "lost tribe" found in India, I don't have any more information than what's in your source.
Originally they would have been taken to what is now northern Iraq or Iran. A movement eastwards from there is at least more plausible than the theories about more elaborate wanderings.
It would have been difficult to maintain their culture in isolation from the others. The Israeli authorities must have had some doubts at first, or they would not have delayed their assent.

a reply to: DISRAELI

The thing is, in regards to lost tribes showing up..

After the exile, some families and houses probably kept their religion, identity, or culture as opposed to others, some to this day. My theory is that as the remnants of the 'ten lost tribes' further dispersed among the world, they ended up in all sorts of places.

Some main places are anywhere along the 'silk road' (India and Kaifeng, China), Europe in its entirety, and the Mediterranean. If a part of the tribe of Manasseh, even a few families, maintained their identity after locating themselves early on in history in India, then while they claim to be the "Bnei Menashe", they can't take claim to being the entire genetic remnant of the tribe of Manasseh. Other people of that tribe settled in other places; there's no record of the tribes sticking together in any form of tribal unity post exile/diaspora.

There's also some talk about certain Afghani groups.. local customs about the "Son's of Joseph" (Ephraim and Manasseh). It seems there was definite Eastern migration involving trade of Middle Eastern and Persian (Median) goods.

a reply to: r0xor
I'm inclined to agree.
Fragments maintaining a sense of identity would only have been small.
The bulk probably got absorbed into the local populations.
Who knows, Saddam Hussein might have had a few Israelite genes in his make-up.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
Who knows, Saddam Hussein might have had a few Israelite genes in his make-up.

Lol, those damn Northern Iraqi's, sons of Assyrians I tell you..

(The cruelest Ancient Empire, by most regards)

Didn't Jonah goto Nineveh when it was an Assyrian city?

The author of that book went into great detail about the depravity of those people.