'#ShootThePolice': Crazed man's online ranting before executing two NYPD officers, committing sui

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

No. Telling someone that "their entitled to their opinion" is an underhanded insult.

No , thats just your twisted view of it, again maybe you need to be holding up the mirror to yourself, because i see a LOT of projection going on here...

Nope. Acting in the role of LEO, a police officer is an agent of the state. Acting as agent of the state is separate from "mah uncle who be a good person."

Because, yes, that human being that you know may very well be a good person--but when that good person is acting as agent of the state, they are now a bad officer. And yes, all police are bad.

All cops enforce despotic laws, therefore all cops are bad.

again , an extremely narrow minded and immature way to look at things..........

Last I check rape was against the law, murder was against the law, theft was against the law, and those seem to be about as anti despotic as they come.........

youre trying to twist reality to fit your own rational of "hate the police", and thats not how things work......

Youre justifying in your own head why all cops are bad to further your own irrational , radical views......

this is exactly the mindset that people who carry out these sort of murders have, right before they go trigger happy

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

this is exactly the mindset that people who carry out these sort of murders have, right before they go trigger happy

Often it is. This is very true.

.....in any case, it seems a very illogical time to be espousing such views here or elsewhere online.
Hint: It kinda makes you target....but hey, carry on with that VERY broad brush painting, LewsTherinThelamon.

a reply to: Jakal26

Is it not what you are essentially saying? If not, clarify if you will.

Obviously, we are saying the same thing, I just chose
the more respectful way of saying it. Why? Because I
have respect for the dead, no matter who they are.
Also, my understanding is the police were called on
Mr. Garner, the police answered the call and the rest
ensued as everyone knows. I mean what were the police
supposed to do? Not answer the call?

The cops weren't being thugs and I don't believe the choke hold
lasted long enough to make a difference. What killed Garner was
wrestling around with the cops and his own weight crushing his
lungs. I look at the vid and all can see is, how easily he gave up the
ghost. The cops couldn't believe it and niether could I. Sorry but I
gotta call em like I see em. Now Kelly Thomas? I was bashing the
cops right along with everyone else on that one. And I don't mind
at all in such cases, but the Brown and Garner cases don't come
close to that. So I understand perfectly well the cops are out of hand
I agree. But these two examples just aren't a legitimate grievence. You
want legite?

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Last I check rape was against the law, murder was against the law, theft was against the law, and those seem to be about as anti despotic as they come.........

So, since we have laws that are rational, then that means that we don't have any irrational laws aimed at subverting the people--and when a person becomes a police officer, they are in no way agreeing to uphold said laws.

I'm not the irrational one.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

No , thats just your twisted view of it, again maybe you need to be holding up the mirror to yourself, because i see a LOT of projection going on here...

It is an insult. My view is not twisted. You are subtlety attacking my character.

He replied to my post unprovoked, and instead of arguing against my premises decided to deflect my entire argument by stating "that's just yer opinion."

And yes, those kind of underhanded deflections ARE insulting.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

this is exactly the mindset that people who carry out these sort of murders have, right before they go trigger happy

"your opinion is different from mine, your obviously going to go on a crime spree"

Oh man, you'd better call the cops. We disagree with each other and that obviously means I'm going to go ape bananas.

a reply to: Jakal26

Often it is. This is very true.

So, you agree that I am going to commit crimes because we disagree?

Is this a subtle way for you all to attack me?

Yes, yes it is.

.....in any case, it seems a very illogical time to be espousing such views here or elsewhere online.

Soooo, if all police officers uphold despotic laws, and that makes all police officers bad; people become fed up and start randomly shooting at cops--I shouldn't get on a board designed to discuss said events because we disagree with each other.

Hint: It kinda makes you target

My opinion makes me a target? And who is going to be doing the targeting?

You do realize that that would only validate my opinion which caused me being targeted in the first place? Right?

You can't see the irony?

...but hey, carry on with that VERY broad brush painting, LewsTherinThelamon.

It's OK to paint an agent of the state with a broad brush when they are acting as agent of the state.

I'm sure your anecdote about that person you know in their capacity as human being is a great person--but the moment they throw one their uniform which guarantees a promise that they will uphold laws designed to do nothing more than to bully you and I--tthen yes, they are a bad cop.

Like, I can be a good person and a poor software developer. Does that make sense?

But with the role of police officer, anyone that becomes a police officer is going to be a bad police officer, because they all agree to enforce despotic laws in their role as officer.

That line of reasoning is very sound.

And it also stands to reason that, when your job requires you to bully people, people will eventually get fed up with being pushed around and they will begin pushing back.

A person can be a good person, but their role of police officer forces them to be bad. It's part of the job.

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Last I check rape was against the law, murder was against the law, theft was against the law, and those seem to be about as anti despotic as they come.........

So, since we have laws that are rational, then that means that we don't have any irrational laws aimed at subverting the people--and when a person becomes a police officer, they are in no way agreeing to uphold said laws.

I'm not the irrational one.

OTOH, just because we have some irrational laws does not mean that all laws and all law enforcers are irrational. The bulk of what your average cop does in his average town during his average day's work are enforcing rational laws designed to protect the rights of the citizen to life, liberty, and property.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Is this a subtle way for you all to attack me?

Yeah...that's what it was

You missed the point, buddy.

Doesn't matter, I have nothing left to say to one who paints so broadly.

....and before you judge, maybe you should take a look at some of my prior postings about police....

a reply to: NavyDoc

OTOH, just because we have some irrational laws does not mean that all laws and all law enforcers are irrational.

If a law is despotic and you uphold that, then you are a despot.

So, all cops are despots. We have way more than just a few irrational laws.

originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Is this a subtle way for you all to attack me?

Yeah...that's what it was

You missed the point, buddy.

Doesn't matter, I have nothing left to say to one who paints so broadly.

....and before you judge, maybe you should take a look at some of my prior postings about police....

What a well thought out reply to all of those arguments I made.

Good work.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Don't care.

No point arguing with irrational people that think they know everything and are really only repeating "alternative" talking points that I hear daily from the anti-establishment crowd.

We'll just agree to disagree. Or you can keep going and find yourself ignored by me...either is fine by me.

Carry on, have a good one.

this shooting will not help anything...more violence just makes more violence....now the police will respond with more irrational force..

the change, likemost change has to start on the inside....will the police see the problem? will the people stop redponding with more sensless violence?

the bigger police state is coming,

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

Please tell me about these "tyrannical" laws?

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

so you don't want cops anymore? should we start using the national guard instead so we can show you the difference?

Why people are attacking you is because no rational person believes all cops are out to shoot and kill innocent people.

a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

I appreciate your principle-based approach to the subject. And your premise is valid, despite the extreme resistance people seem to have for it. The majority of laws in this country are designed to impair civil liberties, and our LEOs indeed are complicit in such tyranny by donning the badge. That's just a fact.

Personally, I think it's the cozy existence people enjoy which prevents them from acknowledging uncomfortable truths. Those of us who keep one foot firmly planted in reality have no such luxury.

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: NavyDoc

OTOH, just because we have some irrational laws does not mean that all laws and all law enforcers are irrational.

If a law is despotic and you uphold that, then you are a despot.

So, all cops are despots. We have way more than just a few irrational laws.

That's illogical. A law against someone stealing your car or breaking into your house is despotic?
Policeman Jones is a despot for arresting a thief because ATF Agent Smith enforces an unconstitutional law? That is illogical.

a reply to: Son of Will

What people fail to understand is that you HAVE A RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT! You aren't being judged by the police they are just enforcing the laws. If you think every cop is out to get you, say nothing and politely ask if you're being arrested, if the cops says yes GET ARRESTED! You will have your day in court and cops have way more to lose by lying on the stand

If people knew their rights the majority of these problems would be avoided (notice I used majority, I still believe cops in some cases use unnecessary force)