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originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Well just wrote a nice replied that got lost; to reply in a more simple way; the Self-Government Act of 2008 limits Danish control of Greenland to defense and foreign affairs. They took over in the 18th century well after the end of the Norse colonies. As Canada 'took over' the claims of the inuit and Dorset I not sure what Canada would be afraid of. However I don't follow Danish politics very closely any more.
Edited to add: I read up on the controversy dealing with the wonderfully named Hans island and the contest between Canada and Denmark over it.
Actually, it's the Danes eying Canada's north. But i wouldn't put it past Steve to declare war on us...he's doing a pretty good job of reinventing the country as is.
originally posted by: merka
So if Canada want to claim Greenland from the Danes, then NATO have to declare war on Canada. But since Canada is part of NATO, they have to invade themselves. And knowing Canada, they'll probably win.
originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: Hanslune
I think it is very difficult to look at these sites and say they are Norse sites, which is what you seem to be implying. Clearly there was some cultural exchange going on and that very likely including manufacturing and building methods. There are all sorts of scenarios that get the crucible there.
The crucible in question may have been traded to the Inuit with no Norse presence in the area whatsoever. A lone Norse explorer may have wintered with the Inuit at the site. A Norse group may have linked up with the Inuit at the site to improve survival. And on and on with the possibilities.
Full on Norse sites are constructed much differently than these sites from my understanding. I think people need to be careful to limit jumps to colonization given such little evidence.
Both Norse sagas and Inuit oral tradition recount this meet-up. There was mention in an earlier post of Farley Mowat's book 'Farfarers', also known as 'The Alban Quest'. It's worth a read, and may factor into Pat's work at some level...I need to go back to it.
originally posted by: Hanslune
originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: Hanslune
I think it is very difficult to look at these sites and say they are Norse sites, which is what you seem to be implying. Clearly there was some cultural exchange going on and that very likely including manufacturing and building methods. There are all sorts of scenarios that get the crucible there.
The crucible in question may have been traded to the Inuit with no Norse presence in the area whatsoever. A lone Norse explorer may have wintered with the Inuit at the site. A Norse group may have linked up with the Inuit at the site to improve survival. And on and on with the possibilities.
Full on Norse sites are constructed much differently than these sites from my understanding. I think people need to be careful to limit jumps to colonization given such little evidence.
Yes that is a possibility too. After L'anse aux Meadows was uncovered there was one theory floated that Native Americans had gone to Greenland and Iceland picked up a lot of cultural baggage and brought it back to form that site.
Reconstructed Floor of Thule Semi-Subterranean House
Dorset Culture
developed from Pre-Dorset and Sarqaq (indigenous rather than a new migration of people)
800 BC to AD 1000
land and sea mammals used
used stone lamps, kayak, hand sled
according to Smith (1991) Dorset did not use dogs, umiak, bow and arrow, whale gear
Inuit/Eskimo/Thule
ancestors arrived about 1000 BC to present; late prehistoric and historic time periods
indigenous name is Inuit (the people), Anglo name is Eskimo
many tribes (Thule, Nukleet, Nunamiut, Copper, Kobukmiut) but rather homogeneous culture
live in Arctic tundra, as far east as Greenland in prehistory (first humans in tundra)
one of most recent groups to migrate to Arctic/Subarctic
probably came from west (east Asia)
sea focus with use of skin boats and marine resources
Thule developed after AD 500 from Birnirk culture of northern Alaska and replaced Dorset by AD 1000 to cover most of northern Canada
Thule used skin boats, bow and arrow, dog sled, harpoons, lamps, igloos
Thule had rich technology superior to Dorset; most tools still used today
Thule had several house forms, including tent-ring houses and semi-subterranean pit houses; whale bone was used in construction of some houses