If the government is covering up UFO's, why would they allow live streaming from ISS / other space

a reply to: buzzEmiller

I am sure the folks at NASA are good people. The best & the brightest. They work hard & all are experts in their space sciences.

Thank you. So how then does one go about convincing yourself that you’re smarter and better than such people? Easy – imagine they are cowardly liars. There, that feels SO much better.

All except the people who ran the NASA TV, live video feed. I taped every minute of every mission in the 1990s & the coverage was terrible TV with all kinds of people accessing the cameras on the shuttle flights.

The only console that could directly command space television cameras was INCO, in charge of all communications. In Apollo that was Ed Fendell and his team [he toggled the rover cameras on the later Apollo missions, to get the LM ascent scenes], and after Ed flew STS-1 he handed it over to his trainees, many of whom later were promoted to Flight Director. Because INCO procedures are so important to understanding all space videos, including the ‘UFO’ scenes, I’ve scanned and posted the CCTV sections of their console procedures handbook, here:
www.jamesoberg.com...
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As a general overview of usage norms, here’s my 1985 NASA book’s discussion of how sensors, including CCTVs, are used for rendezvous [Rendezvous and Proximty Operations Flight Procedures Handbook, which I wrote]
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The Astronauts would turn over the control of the cameras to mission control when they slept. And everyone seemed to get into the act of moving the various cameras wherever they wanted with no purpose but curiosity.

When not in use for payload operations, the Ku-band [TDRSS] link was devoted to exterior TV views, mainly horizon observations for the Mesoscale Lightning Experiment [Skeet Vaughan’s sprite hunting], there was nothing random or haphazard about this, to Martyn’s obvious surprise. INCO console ran the cameras.

The UFOs were caught on camera at times the live feed was being ignored! You can tell this by listening to the live audio. So many times UFO events are taking place, NASA ignores them.

This is the central problem with Martyn’s conclusions: after years of study, he remains clueless about spaceflight operations, he still doesn’t even know what he doesn’t know. He assumes the public air-to-ground channel is the entire Mission Control discussion. Actually, the main discussion channel, the so-called “Flight Loop” [named after the call sign of the flight director], is not broadcast live [but tapes are available via FOIA]., and that is where mission events and situations are vigorously discussed. Each front room position also has several voice loops for detailed discussions with her/his specialists in support rooms down the hall [INCO, for example, the TV controllers, or RNDZ MPSR and ONAV, my back room teams, or FAO, PROP, EECOM, etc], as well as loops to technical support and playback channels, etc.

There is no comment. Sometimes these rogue operators actually follow UFOs. They are in the dark & so they just watch!

See how silly this sounds if you don’t understand what really goes on? And occasionally objects were indeed followed and zoomed [and went out live over the public feed], if INCO wasn’t sure they were routine dandruff, but might be a piece of insulation or a clue to a thruster fuel leak. Keeping such potential safety-related indicators ‘secret’ would have exposed the crew to measurable risk.

You can go to my you tube channel (user Martyn Stubbs) to see over 300 Space UFO videos from various NASA flights to experience examples of what I have just said. Enjoy!

Sure enough, he’s posted a dozen new ‘oldies’ yesterday, carefully NOT providing track-back information needed for validation. And from the comments so far, he’s judged his target audience correctly, nobody cares.

originally posted by: tanka418...

How about Bigelow?
Ya see, IF their video's aren't available, and I'm not seeing where they are...then your statement is kind of meaningless.

By no means. Wouldn't you agree that if Bigelow's team saw UFOs, he'd want to trumpet it to the world?

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: JimOberg
This is nonsensical fantasy. The men and women I worked with in Mission Control were not the kinds of obedient lackeys to lie to, or deceive by silence, the people who pay their salaries to perform such awesome activities. They are dismayed to keep getting queries from friends and relatives about 'UFO secrets' they know to be bogus. Most have given up trying to explain things, and think I'm wasting my time NOT surrendering to popular culture.

So...neither you , nor any other NASA employee was required to sign an "non-disclosure agreement", no security clearances required?

Sorry man, I don't believe you...

Don’t play straw man games. Classified data on DoD flights involved specific don’t-tells on payloads and flight plans. There are no constraints, in writing or otherwise, on shuttle hardware and operations. Limits regarding military and some commercial patented hardware are strictly don’t-tells, not requirements to actually lie.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord


LOL I think your onto something there. Nasa has plenty of classified information, I remember getting some lectures from a few scientis up at NASA and one of the students asked them about the types of foods they are making/growing in space, "THATS CLASSIFIED!" was the only answer we got on that stuff. Of course its has to be some kind of super nutrient rich food we the people arent allowed to eat LOL.

Public speakers are always resorting to that sexy-sounding excuse when they don’t know the answer to the kids’ questions. You can find full disclosure of NASA plant growth experiments on their website. Sorry to disappoint.

a reply to: JamesTB

originally posted by: JamesTB


Jim weren't the cameras that Martyn Stubbs obtained his footage from different to the cameras that we see footage from now?

The 'old' cameras seemed to film in infra red while the 'new' ones don't.

Maybe you can clear this up.

Good question, the cameras even were upgraded over the 30-year life of the shuttle. The ones now onboard ISS are several generations ahead.

Since most 'space UFO videos' are from the shuttle era, I went and got the color sensitivity plots of the main external cameras and always meant to post them on my home page. Let me go ahead and get to it.

The optical characteristics of the new CCTVs, I don't have -- that would be a good project for somebody to catalog all current ISS cameras and their locations, plus main observation ports and the window transmissivity of them, too -- would be a useful reference.

originally posted by: JimOberg
The optical characteristics of the new CCTVs, I don't have -- that would be a good project for somebody to catalog all current ISS cameras and their locations, plus main observation ports and the window transmissivity of them, too -- would be a useful reference.

I have some of that...



Firstly, Thrusters: are located on the "Zvezda" module. The only other locations for thrusters are on any attached spacecraft; like Soyuz...

Portholes, view ports, ect., are few; In the Zvezda module there are some small (5 inch?) portholes. I believe they are Earth facing. The only other viewport is the Cupola; it too is Earth facing, but is constructed so as to give a very good panorama.

Cameras; Most of this is collected from "views" I've seen...Cupola...have very good view of "underside" of ISS. Recently added is the HDEV (HD Earth Viewing) cameras. they are located on the starboard side of the front of ISS. These are "off-the-shelf" cameras that were sent into space as an experiment to see how long they would last. Most of the cameras used in space and on ISS are "hardened" in some way to improve lifetime and performance. HDEV has four cameras; one forward facing, one Earth facing, and two rear facing. It is the rear/aft facing view that has the Soyuz spacecraft in it.

There also seems to be a camera mounted on the truss, port side about 1/3 of the way out. Logically; there should be one on the starboard side of the truss.

In addition there would logically be a camera on each of the robotic arms; that is another 5 cameras or so.

By-the-way; the most recent "ISS event" was the launch of SpinSat. It was caught on camera, and s quite interesting...


I've constructed, with a bit of help from NASA, a 3D model of ISS and have placed cameras at these locations.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: tanka418...

How about Bigelow?
Ya see, IF their video's aren't available, and I'm not seeing where they are...then your statement is kind of meaningless.

By no means. Wouldn't you agree that if Bigelow's team saw UFOs, he'd want to trumpet it to the world?

Yes, absolutely!

However, i'm real sure that he want to remain in business as well...as I said...his space borne assets are not publically viewable. I'm very sure that IF those assets were available the additional data would go some distance to explaining what we currently have. Unfortunately, since we don't have those extra assets, we can only speculate on how useful they might be.