Where is the demand for fluoride "ENHANCED" water coming from?

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
You're saying those products are as toxic as fluoride in comparable doses?

Also, I'm not seeing any sort of pro-fluoride movements, other than corporations, governments, and lobbyists. I am, however seeing a ton of anti-fluoride movements advocating against the use of it in our drinking water, and there not proffting from their agenda.

Oh, sir. I am saying that these substances are -much- more toxic than fortified water. Like, to an extent that we can actually track the toxicity of milk, cola, beer, and apple juice, unlike the phantoms of fluoridated water toxicity.

There doesn't need to be a "Pro-Fluoride Movement". We already won.

the demand is from those that profit from fluoridization.

a reply to: AgentShillington

And yes, I'm anti fluoride, but I do see the hypocrisy is the topical anti fluoride person arguing against it, while sitting there sipping on a beer.

I think the big argument is that of choice, being able to actively choose which poisons are consumed, and to what extent.

I, personally avoid drinking water unless it's bottled AND purified through reverse osmosis.

You also have to figure in the amount of people that are against fluoride, and the banning of it in other countries, creating more back stock of it.

As far as blow back goes in the coming decades, just take the tobacco industry as an example

Question 1. Who used it first and why?

Question 2. Who (in the USA) proposed it`s use in the first place?

Question 3. Who said it was safe and at what PPM, and how did they test for this?

The answers might surprise you...

I distill my water, or drink beer. LOL

originally posted by: dothedew
a reply to: AgentShillington

And yes, I'm anti fluoride, but I do see the hypocrisy is the topical anti fluoride person arguing against it, while sitting there sipping on a beer.

I think the big argument is that of choice, being able to actively choose which poisons are consumed, and to what extent.

Well, luckily for everyone in this thread, no one is forcing anyone to drink fluoridated water. Personal choice is awesome.

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
You're saying those products are as toxic as fluoride in comparable doses?

Also, I'm not seeing any sort of pro-fluoride movements, other than corporations, governments, and lobbyists. I am, however seeing a ton of anti-fluoride movements advocating against the use of it in our drinking water, and there not proffting from their agenda.

Oh, sir. I am saying that these substances are -much- more toxic than fortified water. Like, to an extent that we can actually track the toxicity of milk, cola, beer, and apple juice, unlike the phantoms of fluoridated water toxicity.

There doesn't need to be a "Pro-Fluoride Movement". We already won.

The problem is that we aren't quantifying your "substances." I avoid those products myself, but apple juice isn't just apple juice. It could be organic, non-organic, GMO, non-GMO, or a small percentage apple juice with added sugar. It's a very generalized argument you're making.

The point isn't what's worse, some unnamed chemical or fluoride, the argument is, should we be consuming fluoride, period? Comparing it to other things that may or may not be in your food is at best a slippery slope fallacy.

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: dothedew
a reply to: AgentShillington

And yes, I'm anti fluoride, but I do see the hypocrisy is the topical anti fluoride person arguing against it, while sitting there sipping on a beer.

I think the big argument is that of choice, being able to actively choose which poisons are consumed, and to what extent.

Well, luckily for everyone in this thread, no one is forcing anyone to drink fluoridated water. Personal choice is awesome.

Erm ....you are aware tap water is fluoridated as is many bottled waters

If I had to guess at why fluoride is on the label it would be because the water is simply bottled tap water that's been filtered. But the filtration that they use is not good enough to remove the fluoride. So the companies put "fluoride enhanced" on the label and pass it off as a health benefit and gloss over the fact that the water came out of a city water supply tap.

If you have not figured out how the system works, this is it. TPTB do not care about you, they do not care if you use fluoride, eat GMO, smoke cigarettes, eat fast food, eat canned food, do crack or meth or anything else that might harm you. If you do those things and it harms you so be it. As far as they are concerned, If you damage your health but live a productive life and die just before retiring or shortly thereafter and save the system the cost of your old age, then great!!!, Its your choice. You still free to do your own research and make your own choice not to use some product, they don't force anything on you. Even water in the city water supply, if you don't like it then get an osmosis filter. Don't like GMO, then buy non GMO and plant a garden. IMO TPTB are using Darwinism to weed out who they perceive as being the lazy and the dumb.

So if you think fluoride is good for you, then drink up. I'm just happy that they are labeling it so people can make their own choice. Now if only they would label the GMO.

a reply to: FluffChop

Question 1. Who used it first and why?

Question 2. Who (in the USA) proposed it`s use in the first place?

www.nidcr.nih.gov...

Question 3. Who said it was safe and at what PPM, and how did they test for this?

"Testing" has been in the form of studies of natural fluoridation and artificial fluoridation. Studies which show no evidence of harm at low concentrations. The current standard is a maximum of 1.2 PPM but many municipalities maintain levels lower than that, 0.7 becoming common.


Surprised?

Also something not mentioned is dosage
Fluoride is added at a certain part per million , so a pint of water should contain the same dose ...ish yes?
Now I'm an active person consuming 8-12 litres a day, what's my safe dose?
You may consume 4 litres ..is that enough ??
Point is it's medication NO MEDICATION IS DESPENSED WITHOUT DOSAGE AND ADMINISTERING INFORMATION

Does the doctor give you meds and just let you crack on or is a suitable dosage administered

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
You're saying those products are as toxic as fluoride in comparable doses?

Also, I'm not seeing any sort of pro-fluoride movements, other than corporations, governments, and lobbyists. I am, however seeing a ton of anti-fluoride movements advocating against the use of it in our drinking water, and there not proffting from their agenda.

Oh, sir. I am saying that these substances are -much- more toxic than fortified water. Like, to an extent that we can actually track the toxicity of milk, cola, beer, and apple juice, unlike the phantoms of fluoridated water toxicity.

There doesn't need to be a "Pro-Fluoride Movement". We already won.

sodium flouride is bad for you....anything that is a waste product from chemical fertilizers simply cannot be good...

Get a Free valuable Chapter of Cure Tooth Decay and 27 bonus lessons Just enter your name and e-mail address We respect your e-mail privacy Tooth Decay Small Book Image Fluoride is Poison The chemicals - fluorosilicic acid, sodium silicofluoride, and sodium fluoride - used to fluoridate drinking water are industrial waste products from the phosphate fertilizer industry. A large study was conducted in New Zealand. There, the New Zealand National Health Service plan examined the teeth of every child in key age groups, and found that the teeth of children in non-fluoridated cities were slightly better than those in the fluoridated cities. (Colquhoun, J. "Child Dental Health Differences in New Zealand", Community Healthy Services, XI 85-90, 1987). In 1995, neurotoxicologist and former Director of Toxicology at Forsyth Dental Center in Boston, Dr. Phyllis Mullenix, published research showing that fluoride built up in the brains of animals when exposed to moderate levels. Damage to the brain occurred and the behavior patterns of the animals were adversely effected.

Offspring of pregnant animals receiving relatively low doses of fluoride showed permanent effects to the brain which were seen as hyperactivity (ADD-like symptoms). Young animals and adult animals given fluoride experienced the opposite effect -- hypoactivity or sluggishness. The toxic effects of fluoride on the central nervous system was subsequently confirmed by previously classified government research. Two new epidemiological studies which tend to confirm fluoride's neurotoxic effects on the brain have shown that children exposed to higher levels of fluoride have lower IQs. Source: Holistic Medicine

www.curetoothdecay.com...

Im siding with Phage here. I remember the saying that "Everything in life is either illegal...immoral...or fattening". It makes the point that some things are bad...in fact many of our day-to-day consumptions could kill us in larger amounts....and that should be the point.

Some good...as bad...can come out of just about everything.

But for 99% of things we have the choice of what we ingest
If I think mcds is sh*t food , I won't eat it ....my water source however, a reply to: mysterioustranger

a reply to: Neocrusader

Point is it's medication NO MEDICATION IS DESPENSED WITHOUT DOSAGE AND ADMINISTERING INFORMATION

It's not medication. It's water treatment. But there are maximum allowable levels just as there are for other things found in water, like chlorine.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

sodium flouride is bad for you.

So is calcium fluoride if you get too much of it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's an additive added to water for medical benefit yes ?
Not for flavour , not to treat , but to administer a chemical for preventative treatment of a medical condition
a reply to: Phage
Come on phage stop playing

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
Im siding with Phage here. I remember the saying that "Everything in life is either illegal...immoral...or fattening". It makes the point that some things are bad...in fact many of our day-to-day consumptions could kill us in larger amounts....and that should be the point.

Some good...as bad...can come out of just about everything.

Generalizing that everything is bad for you therefor nothing is bad for you is a fallacious argument.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

We don't have added fluoride in our town's water supply. I think that the amount of fluoride found in toothpaste is sufficient.

Speaking of radioactivity, when one of the wells for the water supply was found to have excessive levels of a radioactive element (through regular testing) it was shut down immediately. The naturally occurring fluoride, though, is well below acceptable levels. If a well was to exceed acceptable levels of fluoride, I'm sure they would shut it down too.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

sodium flouride is bad for you.

So is calcium fluoride if you get too much of it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

yes but that is where confusion begins on the fluoride topic........calcium fluoride occurs naturally as opposed to sodium fluoride which is a waste product from fertilizers.....many naturally occurring substances can be bad for you

The natural version of fluoride is known as calcium fluoride which is naturally found in soil. It is not that harmful to us.

The synthetic industrial version is called sodium fluoride. This industrial version is a synthetic toxic waste known to cause cancer. Manufacturers of sodium fluoride manipulated their data to create the illusion that sodium fluoride is not toxic. They then used this data to convince political leaders to allow them to add sodium fluoride into consumer products, pesticides and drinking water.

consciouslifenews.com...#

originally posted by: elfie
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

We don't have added fluoride in our town's water supply. I think that the amount of fluoride found in toothpaste is sufficient.

Speaking of radioactivity, when one of the wells for the water supply was found to have excessive levels of a radioactive element (through regular testing) it was shut down immediately. The naturally occurring fluoride, though, is well below acceptable levels. If a well was to exceed acceptable levels of fluoride, I'm sure they would shut it down too.

Naturally occuring fluoride is 1000x less toxic than sodium fluoride.