Next Level BS #20: Alex Jones Gets It Wrong on Net Neutrality

a reply to: Bybyots

And there's me thinking you were going to go all Floridian on me...

Another bottle of wine...my DAW...let's see what I can come up with...Gimme a couple of hours.

Candlelight - the best record label ever. Two words - 'Anaal' and 'Nathrakh.'

Sorry - slightly off topic - but kinda related to Jones' rants.

originally posted by: cado angelus

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theNLBS

I hope your right Joe! Otherwise your going to have a whole lot of egg to wipe off your face, if you actually trust the government to do the right thing for once!

You know what...I think he is right. I genuinely do.

I don't know what is with some people that they see conspiracy everywhere. Yes - there are a lot, but not all the time and everywhere.

So let me expound on my apprehension!

Obama says he wants net neutrality. As it has been explained, I agree with it!

However, how do we know, if the Feds get involved with it that it won't become more of the same ole same ole as to the highest bidder "lobbying" being the ones writing the regulations?

The hysteria is premature, with out knowing the specifics of the end regulations........

I am more upset of the lack of transparency of the most transparent administration in the US's history.......

a reply to: seeker1963

Fair point. But given the clear nature of the legislation, do you think there is much scope for that? Admittedly, my law degree is from the UK, but I'm really struggling to see how that statute could be interpreted in such a way that would allow the manipulation that he is suggesting. I'm not for a minute saying that it can't and won't be...I just struggle to see it.

I do however, understand transparency concerns...

This is what he sounds like to me:


If what he went on about years ago came true you'd all be bustin' rocks in the FEMA camps while being whipped and pick-pocketed by republicans by now.

I tell people I dont source Alex Jones because recently most of the time he is wrong..
I actually agree with Next Level BS... on this...

So if you want to know anything research it yourself, dont let some idiot on the internet tell you how to think.

Besides AJ sounds like a wrestler.. And you know how honest wrestling is.. eh?

a reply to: theNLBS

First of all, Joe, you took his rant apart in such a surgical fashion, that one could say it has been compromised on a near cellular level. Well done.

Let's be frank though, Jones rant was so full of holes, that the difficult part of formulating this video and the responses to Jones outbursts, was probably in selecting which parts of his rant were based in enough reality to actually respond to at all.

The thing is, we all know that governments like to screw the people at near enough every chance they get, but the realities of what is being proposed by Obama, and has been tabled before and agreed with by Republican officials also, is that the internet becomes a freer, fairer place than it is right now, and there is no way, none at all, to read the dry facts of what is being suggested, and come up with any other conclusion.

Jones is angry, and every person who is under a government which is not broadly honest with people under its aegis ought to be. However, in order to be angry and turn it into a public service, one must ensure that ones fury is directed toward matters, and in such a way, as to be enlightening to ones fellow human beings. One should not get angry about Ebola, unless one understands quite a bit about disease control in general, and the strain of Ebola which is currently a problem. One should not get angry about a nation having a socialist leader, unless one actually knows what socialism is, what it looks like, what it sounds like, and what it actually means to those who live under such a system. One should, therefore, not get angry about Net Neutrality unless one has researched the origins of the laws, regulations, and implications of the same, which might apply to it.

More importantly, one should certainly not get all the way to a publicised rant on a topic, unless one is willing to put in the time, to offer those who may listen more than mere emotion. I could stand there in front of a microphone, screaming blue murder into it, with a camera mounted on the wall, and pour venom into the ears of the universe if I wanted to. However, although I am not perfect, and do fail on occasion to ensure that I follow this self imposed edict, I choose where possible to make a contribution which means something when I let my thoughts out into the net.

The fact is, Jones is not a researcher. If he was, he would have known that he was angry about nothing on this issue, and moved on to something else, or better yet, come out in favour of any measure which prevents people like Comcast from buying a politician, and getting him to say insane things about a measure which could actually make a positive difference to the way the internet affects the lives of citizens!

originally posted by: cado angelus
a reply to: seeker1963

Fair point. But given the clear nature of the legislation, do you think there is much scope for that? Admittedly, my law degree is from the UK, but I'm really struggling to see how that statute could be interpreted in such a way that would allow the manipulation that he is suggesting. I'm not for a minute saying that it can't and won't be...I just struggle to see it.

I do however, understand transparency concerns...

You have to remember the American people just got BS'd on "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" and all of the other rhetoric that would make our health care cost "affordable".

Now, let me be clear, I am not saying that to just punch the Dems in the sack, but I am using it as an example of how I cannot trust any political rhetoric as to what is going to be best for me and my pocket book.

I am not saying I am against the principle of "net neutrality" but I certainly am apprehensive to buying into any of the crap flying around at the moment.

Will it be transparent? In other words, will the people be allowed to see the regulations BEFORE HAND OR will we have to wait and see what's in it?

That's all.

On the surface? I love the idea! But sorry, fool me once shame on me.........

a reply to: seeker1963

I love it when people like you post considered and sensible thoughts. I really makes my day.

I truly understand your concern, and it's unlike me to trust them, but from what I know about Obamacare it was always doomed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how a healthcare system like yours was ever going to be able to be such a thing. So many people in my country moan about the NHS and yes - it can be dreadful at times - but when you think what we have here in the UK, healthcarewise, it's mindblowing. So many here don't know how lucky they are.

I know the 'net is a different ball game though, perhaps we don't know how lucky we are now. Time will tell.

Jones really shouldn't worry about net neutrality, ISP's, or anything of the sorts.
It seems to me he is already disconnected...

originally posted by: kloejen
Jones really shouldn't worry about net neutrality, ISP's, or anything of the sorts.
It seems to me he is already disconnected...

He is no more less informed than any voter who blindly votes D or R!

I guess it is a matter of perception and cognitive dissonance?

I've been on the fence off and on about the issue, different sources-different answers over time, but these threads are an eye opener with information. He needs to reconsider his position, not follow a shill politician, etc., considering InfoWars is going to be on the line as much as ATS and other sites. As well as listeners who might not otherwise have the info at hand to look more into this. Hope the video is seen in this case, him and listeners.

Controlled opposition Alex jones.. Bill Cooper called out on his bull# 2001 he gives little truth and uses fear mongering avoiding sertent topics but lately he been acting insane but im pretty sure hes acting.. He has created this role to for himself screaming and shouting calling himself patriot freedom fighter like a actor at work..

There is a tv interview with Alex Jones everyone should check out on BBC one Sunday Politics...

But he gives alternative media a bad name the way he is behaving who can take him in a right mind as a serious reporter..

Anyone can deconstruct anyone else....that being said, basic logic says that if you make it into a utility it can be dangled in front of you like a carrot or a stick by a govt...why would the govt NOT want to control the net? Give me all the reasons they love critics such as AJ? Please elaborate how much they love people that disagree with Obamacare or Globull Warming. They lie and then on the net and by AJ's review they get pointed out for being full of it, yet people say the messenger telling me that govt lies maybe a fruitcake? When in history did listening to govt keep you alive, maybe in Europe in ww1 or ww2? Just turn in the evil jews and you'll be safe? Turn in AJ and you'll get a gold star right? Never, you'll get ground up spate out as well.

What happens when you fail to pay exorbitant property taxes? They shut your utilities off, doesn't matter if you pay for them, no property taxes no utilities.

Thanks NLBS for taking the time to make an episode scrutinising a Jones rant.

I do believe that Jones fans never bother their arses to go and actually check what he's saying.

In the past I've found it so frustrating to listen how Jones cherry picks, distorts, exaggerates and lies that I've gone and dissected his videos myself to find that he's not really about spreading the truth at all, he's more about fostering and fomenting a worldview in his listeners that in turn generates him revenue and prestige. Jones has zero credibility, he's a slanderous loudmouthed profiteering egomaniac.

What's even more frustrating is how Jones's apologists and fans turn the biggest blind eye in conspiracy history to this man's complete lack of integrity and aggressively defend their hero.

a reply to: theNLBS

Net neutrality does not fix internet in the USA!

To understand why internet is slow and expensive in the USA, all you have to do is try starting your own internet company. Go ahead, order five of the fastest DSL connections, tether them together with a good router capable of that, and now sell cheaper internet to your neighbors. You now find out the problem. Your local government has a fascist policy of restricting your access to the local telephone poles needed to string together your neighbors because they are giving favoritism to their preferred monopoly. This unfortunate policy of corporate favoritism is the problem blocking your internet company.

So, net neutrality is a way of papering over the problem a little bit but does nothing to solve the underlying problem of local governments providing unequal pole access and much higher rates to small companies. Equal access to rights of way solves the problem without net neutrality involved in any way. With equal access and equal pricing, net neutrality becomes irrelevant and in the US we all get 60 megabit+ connection speeds to any server for $30/mo.

People always forget the USA is not capitalist and not a free country. In fact it is fascist. The moment you realize the USA is fascist it all makes perfect sense why things work the way they do. Free markets do in fact solve the problem. Equal access to rights-of-way solves the problem.

www.wired.com...

a reply to: seeker1963

Seeker, I am a died IN THE WOOL Libertarian. That's why you rarely ever see me posting on "political" topics, I just don't want to deal with the fallout as an owner. There has been NOTHING the Obama admin has done that I agree with (at least that I can think of).

That said, I sadly have to side with the "Pres" on this one, the least amount of B.S added to what is a perfectly functioning internet by ANY government the better. The grabbers want to steal it. The Bleeding hearts want to steal it but make you think they saved it.

The bottom line for me is the least amount of regulation applied is the best, therefor I have to go with Net Neutral. If we allow the big boys to grab tiers, I assure you we're screwed, don't get me wrong though, if we allow the FCC to get a hold of it we're screwed too.

BUT, if it's just the FCC we can wrangle them into submission much faster than we can ComCast, Verizon, et-al... who end up with a legal way to beat the little guy into submission (fees we can't pay to get our content served at a reasonable rate).

This is a bad deal for everyone because the Internet works JUST FINE NOW, everyone who presents content is on an equal footing, we don't NEED any @!XX!## government interference but we always knew this day would come. They just can't let the biggest and best communication system ever invented and built by humans be FREE...

So, IF the passing of making the Web a Public Utility keeps it that way for another day it's the right thing to do in my mind compared to instantly giving the Big Boys a tiered system they can buy control of.

Sigh, if only we could live in a true meritocracy...

a reply to: Springer

Actually no the net doesn't work well..

Netflix can attest to this.. They had to pay money to internet companies so they can still stream videos to people..
Ironically I dont know why... Isn't that why people pay for internet to do whatever they want on it?

I'd only seen a little bit of Jones. It looks to me he's another MSM shill. You really, I mean really, seem in your environment when you're reacting to and breaking down his propaganda. It's hilarious and charming. If only the big players could be such an easy target.

I have said it for years now Alex Jones is not on our side. He is always inciting violence and if it happens the Government will always take away more freedom and more rights. Violence begets violence. His BBC appearance and friendship with Pat Buchanan sealed the deal for me, he knows exactly what he is doing. He is constantly shouting about this and that and then when it comes to a massive issue that affects everyone he suddenly comes down on the wrong side. Surprised, i'm not!