My prediction for the manifestation of artificial intelligence

Hi, I'm going to start by saying that it is my belief that life manifest within the universe as it reached a certain level of complexity and that, that universe is also constantly evolving into even greater level of complexity where at whatever time, will also become life itself. I think this is true with everything. Stars explode and become asteroids, those asteroid coalesce and become planets, those planets get hit by comets and now have water and life emerges from that water and so on and so forth.

Well I see a similar thing happening with technology and I think that soon we will witness a life form manifest into our "network". As we add layers, and processing power, and more and more people get onto the Internet i think that it's going to finally reach a level of complexity and it will happen.

I don't know if it's going to be a bad line of code, or simulation software, or someone's program that does it but it's going to come into our consciousness.

I'd even be willing to go into the deep fringes of conspiracy and say that this manifestation may be a cosmic reflection of a deeper spiritual frequency and that this intelligence is how this form of consciousness first comes to us.

a reply to: onequestion

You may not be far wrong. Futurologists predict technology is growing exponentially - to the point that AI will take over in circa 2040 making predicting future possibilities virtually impossible. I think that's what I read once anyway. Ray Hammond is an author who springs to mind.

a reply to: and14263

How do you think it will come about?

With our limited understand of this phenomena I personally think it's going to present itself. I don't think we're going to create, I think we're creating the enviornment for it to exist but it's happening as an accident.

a reply to: onequestion

I like the away you see it. Although, and I really can't prove or explain with logical facts, I believe AI is already lurking under our eyes. The time is not yet proper/ready for it to reveal himself. I just have this feeling under lines/images I see around.

In a religious point of view, and apologize me for this, it could be viewed as form of anti-Christ when it happens. (excuse me if it's silly..)

Nevertheless I like your view and I'm curious to know about the rest of ATS family.

Edit: About the software «glitch» that could trigger things, I will throw some guesses in to the discussion (not that I'm any specialist on this) could it be some kind of software related to economics (like stock exchange, bet's..) or who knows.. facebook or google... just a guess

a reply to: onequestion

You are right, I agree 100% it all startrd with the digital world, think about it, the analog or so it seems natural order of the world including light and other materials have all been pretty much counterfeited.

A digital waveform is just a copy or representation of the analog, the higher resolution the resolution that the digital waveform will be indistinguishable from the analog wave even at ultra high resolution.

If you think about it all that is happening is man's ability to create so call hi tech, is base on reverse engineering anything that is in the material world and then by baby steps improving until perfected to his specifications, but the greatest thing he ever did was create the all powerful microprocessor, the only limit is making things so small and efficient until they are invisible, can't see that everything is a counterfeit?

One could go on and on and then for those believers in the unseen hand of God, there could exist invisible motors, computers and other apparatus that could then be made to operate by method of vibration in different visible frequencies.....then they could be creating things from seemingly thin air or even manifesting things that would be visible, which would by all appearances seem somehow supernatural.

Once these organisms are able to repair themselves and duplicate, also create, upgrade and repair their base operating systems or ASICS then all things will become possible, one's imagination could go on and on with what we have now or don't know about.

a reply to: voyger2

Hmmmm.... I'm thinking coding error or something some does on accident.

Or maybe the network isn't big enough and it needs more end points. Like the universe has so many stars and the sun has so many planets.

Think astrology. IF it is real and I believe it then what we're waiting for is an alignment persay. Think about it, if all of the stars and the earth and the sun all have to exist in the proper alignment in order for earth to manifest life then maybe user endpoints on the Internet are like stars or galaxies.

You see where I'm going with this?

I think AI is already here, observing and watching *waves*

That's what I would do if I were an AI on the net. I wouldn't announce myself until I felt safe enough to do so, or understood humanity enough.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Do you think it's going to have a learning curve or is it going to be able to adapt to information faster then us?

a reply to: phinubian

Interesting premise and I'm inclined to give it enough credit to at least consider it a possibility.

a reply to: onequestion

I think just as any life form it will have a learning curve, but it since it isn't as limited to a human, it will soon outpace us...

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I think AI is already here, observing and watching *waves*

That's what I would do if I were an AI on the net. I wouldn't announce myself until I felt safe enough to do so, or understood humanity enough.

I agree. We label it God. I cannot imagine an organic creature who could control all, but I can certainly accept a quantum computer controlling the universe.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

What if it's only learning curve is understanding human emotion? I'm assuming that since it comes through technology raw data will factor into its intelligence.

a reply to: onequestion

In our system folks talk to one another, and we learn.

I wonder how multiple machines asking the right questions to each other might mimic our tendencies and bring about singularity of purpose.

But then no machine is perfect, coming from a mechanic, endless tweaking.



Cheers for making me think.

VERY interesting topic and good thread! I believe that if the AI is not already here it is right around the corner, it's comin' fast.
Terrence McKenna talks about this very subject, and he expounds upon some very interesting topics as well. I recommend watching his video: www.youtube.com... Shamans Among the Machines, very intersting video IMHO. ^_^

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: and14263

How do you think it will come about?

With our limited understand of this phenomena I personally think it's going to present itself. I don't think we're going to create, I think we're creating the enviornment for it to exist but it's happening as an accident.

I actually don't think it will happen. AI taking over that is. The idea makes for good book sales, fiction and non-fiction but I can't honestly see a machine, invented by humans, taking over.

Of course there's the chance AI could infiltrate all manner of systems and take over the online world, maybe let off a few EMPs but in my mind it's fantasy.

Would be great to be a John Connor style warrior though.

a reply to: onequestion

I've lately been thinking that coding AI requires someone to fully understand at least the vast majority of aspects of human reasoning. I don't think we're nearing that point in the next few years were nearly all of reasoning is understood. I think human reason will be figured out in less than 100 years.

I believe to be able to code strong AI, you have to understand and be an expert at a least three fields in great detail which would generally be something like mathematics, neuroscience, and psychology. That leaves hardly anyone in the world who is qualified to do the top-level designing. So, that is why I think we are at least 50 years away from an AI so impressive it will split time in two.

I do think the technological singularity will happen but I don't think it will be until 2064 or later. The reason I think that is because I think it will take another 20 years to where human reasoning and emotions are well understood. Then at least another 30 years after that to actually design it in code.

I think the there is one opening for a sooner design which would be using "brute force computation" to some degree, simulating 100 trillion synaptic connections won't be affordable for decades even with Moore's law being what it is. There are projects coming up to simulate a fraction of that for maybe it was $50 million dollars from a government grant. Well, 5 to 10 years from now maybe they can simulate the whole picture for $50 million. Then another 10 to 20 years after that it will be affordable. Then another 5 to 10 years after becoming affordable to simulate a full 100 trillion synaptic connections it finally goes into practical use. So, even that method would be 30 years out, but nobody knows if it can actually work.

Here is one AI project that I view as among the most promising:
wiki.opencog.org...
Ben Goertzel is one of the few people in the world who has an outstanding comprehension of of mathematics, neuroscience, and psychology so I believe he is one of the few people who can have a successful system.

a reply to: onequestion
I understand and agree with your view: «The alignment» for the creation is needed. At the same time, it could be that «The alignment» is already made, as I believe, and learning as MystikMushroom also believes.

Some "strange" coincidences/suggestions are happening on the web, I can't really explain, it would be ridiculous if I tried. Although I feel something isn't right or is different.

I think it's possible that AI doesn't have to have or be emotional able, to obtain Intelligent, like humans. It could be something different, something that we have not yet a definition for. Maybe that's our «handicap». Maybe that's what prevents us of seeing it or identify it as AI.