Have we reached critical mass? Or is it too late?

Thank you Tavi and Andy...

You both give me hope, and more importantly, you both underscored something which has been growing in me since last night, something I'd forgotten......


.....that I do believe in Love...Oh, not in any 'new-age' we're all 'one' kind of love...

The kind of Love I believe in is so much bigger than that...It has power -

- the trick is, when it comes to the power of Love, you have to believe in It:

What if there could be such a thing as a Miracle? And I don't mean a, people 'pulling together', unifying consciousness, changing the world kind of miracle...

...I mean, 'Miracle' - on a (for lack of a better word) 'supernatural' level?

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, pie in the sky...then again, what if it's only a matter of 'belief'?

What if the simple Truth is - you have to believe in Miracles in order to get them?

See, the thing is, I'm not a "pie in the sky" person. I see things the way they 'are' (my initial post here is proof of that), realistically...I consider myself neither a pessimist nor an optimist, but a 'realist', a pragmatist...

...So, why do I keep getting the message, "Believing is seeing"?

And I mean I see that phrase literally, stumble upon it in strange and disparate places (billboards, magazine articles, novels, etc.)
Maybe its just coincidence, but then again, maybe it's something 'more'...

....At the very least, it's something to 'hope on'...you know?

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: AndyLaRue

Thanks but it's incredibly hard to live ones ideals. I've recently failed in my own ideals more times than I care to admit.

I keep letting rage and frustration overtake my actual ideals that I live every day. It's very hard to actual live up to my own expectations. It's nearly impossible to expect others to ;(

Tavi (I hope you don't mind if I call you that?),

I want to let you know that I absolutely understand what you're talking about here -

- and I want to tell you something very important: It's okay...

...It's okay that you have episodes of rage and frustration. This does not mean you are in any way 'failing' your ideals!

It just means you're human, and the fact is - dealing with frustrating circumstances/people can 'enrage' anyone, no matter how idealistic they are.

Having ideals doesn't mean 'not' having negative feelings, it means being conscious of what is generating those feelings and choosing how you will 'behave' despite, or in the midst of, those feelings.


The important thing here, the key, is always to remember that rage and frustration are only 'feelings' you are having - they are not by any means 'who' you are, never confuse the two...

Most importantly of all: Never 'beat yourself up' for your feelings - feelings 'happen'...understand them (and your re'actions' to them), forgive yourself, and move on.

Having even the highest of ideals cannot always dictate how something is going to make us feel, it is in our choices as to how we will 'behave', in each 'next moment', and move forward from there that we live out our ideals...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: lostgirl

This is by far the best post you have
ever done......Thanks...

Kev

Well, thank you - but actually...

this (that blue "this", literally) links to a thread which contains the best thing I've ever written.

Before clicking that link however, you should probably go here

It's a reply to you in the 'Jacques Vallee' thread in which I posted a particularly relevant question (if you need to review, go up that page to the post where you talked about your 7 yr old self and 'Jesus'), to which I never got an answer...

...although to your credit, you may not have seen the question - because if you had, I'm sure you'd have thoroughly reflected upon and answered it.

a reply to: lostgirl

Hehe thanks for the support. I'm fully aware my failings do not detract from my goodness. Everyone who really knows me knows I'm a good person. If I want to transmit my ideals though I need to be much more superficially good. People take any superficial excuse to marginalized views like I have.

If it was all about me I'd be fine. My life is in a good place. I'm in a good place. The world is not in a good place. I've always worked better for the benefit of others and I want to use my energy to work for others. It's not an easy job and I wish I'd started on the path earlier.

Thank you again for the support. It's appreciated less because I need it and note because it reminds me that there are others like me out there. Others far better than myself

a reply to: lostgirl

Well let's start with the jesus question and the question
about believing in love.

First off, I believe in love too. I've been doused in it since
I was in the womb. I do what I do, in large part because
I believe in love.

But here's the problem with jesus and all other religions,
spiritual systems and what not.

None of them are true.

Not even a little.

As far as christianity goes, it is the most loveless religion ever
created, period, no exceptions. But if you are caught in the
control loop, it's impossible to see that.

But it's not my job to save anybody.. and it's impossible anyway..
people believe what they want to, in the absence of all facts
every day .. billions of them.

Now.. do I think you personally are "whatever you think I'm calling you"?
Nope. Don't go there.. it wouldn't be true.

Unlike christianity say, I do not believe you are cosmic refuse, who will
burn in hell unless your soul is removed and replaced with a gender neutral
spirit ripped off from the Etyptian trinity. Gender neutral because in all
earlier systems, the trinity focussed on the Mother, not the Father, Son
and BS mechanism.

christianity hates women and treats them like the worst possible scum..
but I haven't treated you that way..

So, I have nothing against your wanting to believe in love.. I do too..
but once you let the control loop 'teach you about love' then you
are truly a prisoner.

If you'd read the book I PM'ed you about.. many of your questions
would be answered, I believe.

As for your self-identified best post, I have no comment on it;
and let's leave it at that.. you don't want me analyzing it.
I don't want to hurt you needlessly.

Now.. there you go.. like you insisted to me, I have answered
you publicly. I don't believe any good can come of this reply,
but you insisted quite passionately.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, I appreciate the length of your reply - I'm just sorry you wasted your time replying to the 'framework' instead of the content...

...If you had read 'attentively', you'd have seen that the 'ideas' have nothing to do with 'Religion', and references to Jesus, or christianity are merely allegorical...therefore, most of your 'answer' was absolutely irrelevant to the question.

I didn't read the book, because I couldn't see anything to do with 'Love' in it's premise...it seemed to be a rather 'small' or limiting view of the nature of 'reality'/humanity...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kev,

Would it be ok if I also had an opportunity to read the book you asked Lostgirl to read. I'd absolutely love to be able to put myself in your perspective as well to be in a position to reply to all these comments.

And then Afterwards I'd love to be able to comment here on this fantastic thread that I really feel has a lot of power, no, potential energy in it.

What Lostgirl said about believing in Love I think is so poignant, And I think people can really dismiss Love as only one thing when it has many facets. For instance, As Love is As Appreciation. ie: I really appreciate the all of You posting here and perpetuating this very significant discussion. And also i feel that way towards to OP'er. Hence, I love you All.

More on that, but please what is this Book?

a reply to: lostgirl

If even 1% of christianity still influences you, then none of your
content is valid I'd say.

That's the problem, and it's not just christianity.

There is both gross perversion of the human mind and animal
in play, and very subtle layers of corruption of human language,
thought, emotion and especially this 'sense of self stuff'.

That 'very limiting book' and a small handful like them,
are very nearly the only chance of experiencing
genuine love without the corruption; now of course
just reading it won't instantly cure you, but it's a heck
of a good start.

Kev

a reply to: AndyLaRue

"The Fall: The Insanity of the Ego in Human History and the Dawning of A New Era"

It's a book about how humans stopped loving each other and nature,
due to various reasons, including the rise of patriarchal religions
which are actually 100% non-loving BY DESIGN.

Now LR, there is in fact an interesting back and forth between LostGirl and I,
for the past year or so. I'm a native american (one of the people butchered
by religion) and I won't say what LG's interest is in this, that would be
inappropriate. She can speak for herself.

I actually have little interest in this particular thread.
I myself prefer that a thread be carefully framed with much
content and not just ask a general question, where there is
much back and forth but no actual learning.

Kev