GOP Senator Botches Key Obamacare Stat By 900 Percent

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they’re seeing that same kind of range [of premium increases for 2015], anywhere from 16 to 60 percent. Kind of with an average of around 30 percent here just anecdotally in Wisconsin.”

Wisconsin GOP Senator, Ron Johnson went on NewsMax TV today to rail against the Affordable Care Act. When asked about rate increases, he responded anecdotally,

And then we see the real facts of the matter in Wisconsin:

Sounds pretty damaging. It certainly paints a picture gloomy enough to scare thousands of people away from the program. Or at least it would if the numbers were anything close to the truth. Studies of actual rate filings in the state plug the rate at more like 3% with at least two insurance companies posting double digit DECREASES. Lisa Rubino, Senior Vice President on Molino Healthcare of Wisconsin, explained their 11% decrease, “We priced for the first year really expecting a sicker population to enroll. Going into the second year, we expect the exchange to work better and a healthier population due to penalties increasing.”

Johnson’s exaggeration of the facts is in the range of 900%. This kind of flagrant disregard of accuracy and basing policy on data that has no basis in reality is nothing new for Johnson. It’s right in line with his denial of Global Warming. He was reported to claim global warming is caused by sunspots, He also suggested the student loan crisis could be alleviated permanently by a temporary cut in interest rates while calling for even more private, for profit colleges.

I have often said, “If you have to lie to make you point, you don’t have a point.” Senator Johnson can take his 900% inflation of the truth and stick it back into whatever orifice he pulled it out of.

I couldn't help myself.

It's sad that people listen to these 'snake-oil' salesmen.

Thank goodness we have a non-partisan point of view from you to point out only Republicans lie. Why do all the political tools come out at night? Jeez.

I am seriously becoming exhausted by the back and forth partisan threads as if one party is better than the other. I give up.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Thank goodness we have a non-partisan point of view from you to point out only Republicans lie.

I didn't get Republicans lie out of this. I got this senator is a liar.

It took my wife 890 minutes of cell usage to get a policy for our daughter, its super cheap so long as you dont value your time.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Thank goodness we have a non-partisan point of view from you to point out only Republicans lie. Why do all the political tools come out at night? Jeez.

I am seriously becoming exhausted by the back and forth partisan threads as if one party is better than the other. I give up.

Man,
You're going to give yourself a stroke if you let this stuff bother you this much.
There's a process that people go through when they are learning to go from total partizan to independently minded.
If they don't get to argue back and forth with people who disagree then they never take the baby steps to get to the next level. Being independently minded sometimes takes a while.

a reply to: badgerprints

its funny because certain members in this thread have no problem with partisan politics when its only effecting certain parties but will cry bloody murder when it effects others

the partisan politics does need to end
but so do statements exactly like that when they are only used as a veil for more partisan bs

originally posted by: sirhumperdink
a reply to: badgerprints

its funny because certain members in this thread have no problem with partisan politics when its only effecting certain parties but will cry bloody murder when it effects others

the partisan politics does need to end
but so do statements exactly like that when they are only used as a veil for more partisan bs

It's like parents with kids.
That kid across the street is a little monster but my kid is an angel when he does the same thing.

Level headed conversation and not rising to the bait will get a message across to some. Not all but some.
It gets old but if we don't have an ongoing back and forth with people who are willing to learn, including ourselves, who's going to learn and change?

I was about as right wing and rabid as they come at a point in my life.
I've learned a lot about politics and social conditioning since then.
Now I'm just rabid.

originally posted by: circuitsports
It took my wife 890 minutes of cell usage to get a policy for our daughter, its super cheap so long as you dont value your time.

I'm gonna go ahead and call bull# on that one.

You understand that is almost 15 hours of talking, right?

As I said - I couldn't help myself. I find this 'behavoir' appaling from any public person - and most people with any sense of integrity would avoid "just making stuff up" to make a point.

But I wasn't making a point - just pointing out the flagrant distain of this 'person' for the citizens of his state and country.

I do take delight in these political idiots making asses of themselves - and hope, one day, that people will pay attention and call them, regardless of ideology, on their flagrant misconduct.

There is a difference between lies.

There are those that we question the sources of the facts and call them lies - when they are not.

And there are 'made up' facts with no basis in reality.

And there are lies of ommission.

What is dangerous is that publically educated US citizens seem to not know the difference nor care to.

originally posted by: circuitsports
It took my wife 890 minutes of cell usage to get a policy for our daughter, its super cheap so long as you dont value your time.

Correct...but it took me probably 11 hours of phone time to get a policy via Blue Cross Blue Shield last year..

Agreed that getting healthcare coverage is a painful process that is overly complicated..but it's not exclusive to ACA.

I think we all need to just shut up and sit down and stop questioning politicians.

originally posted by: badgerprints

originally posted by: Metallicus
Thank goodness we have a non-partisan point of view from you to point out only Republicans lie. Why do all the political tools come out at night? Jeez.

I am seriously becoming exhausted by the back and forth partisan threads as if one party is better than the other. I give up.

Being independently minded sometimes takes a while.

I honestly don't think it's overly complicated. I think first...If you intentionally lie to me..eff you..whether they have an (R) (D) beside their name comes second.

originally posted by: sirhumperdink
a reply to: badgerprints

its funny because certain members in this thread have no problem with partisan politics when its only effecting certain parties but will cry bloody murder when it effects others

the partisan politics does need to end
but so do statements exactly like that when they are only used as a veil for more partisan bs

I do think "partisan politics" has a natural place in the public discourse. There are different ideologies and philosophies that need to be examined and debated for the public to decide what makes sense. Of course that also requires thinking and listening vs. just committing to a party and supporting both their virtues and BS with equal fervor.

Prioritize facts first and consider allegiances second...or put another way, do not sacrifice your integrity by defending obvious BS in support of some politician or political party. Police your own first and you can come with greater credibility.

At least that is what I strive for, albeit imperfectly at times.

This is kinda confusing.

Since all politics is about perception where truth never enters in to it.

Then them big bad evil republicans get called 'liars' for something that was a lie to begin with.

Oh dear.

originally posted by: neo96
This is kinda confusing.

Since all politics is about perception where truth never enters in to it.

Then them big bad evil republicans get called 'liars' for something that was a lie to begin with.

Oh dear.

There is no place for facts and truths in politics. People don't vote based on facts, or what is right or wrong. People vote based on how well each party disseminates their propaganda.

The big lie here is that the GOP was against the ACA. That's BS. They didn't vote for it, but they wanted it to pass because of the power it gave to the government/corporate structure and if they control both the house and senate after this election.....they will not repeal the ACA.

The insurance companies have been pouring money in to their campaigns and they do not bite the hand that feeds them.

I wonder if the rates that are "decreasing" had policies with ultra-high prices to begin with and had lower than normal claims last year?

And maybe the rates that are "increasing" had higher than normal claims last year?

The stories don't seem to give any genuine reasons for anything.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

The big lie was the ACA made healthcare more 'affordable'.

It clearly hasn't.

But then again since Johnson created medicaid there was no effing need for the ACA.

Healthcare has gotten more expensive today because the US government is the largest healthcare insurer in the country.

Mommy, "Billy took my crayons." Billy, "no l didn't, she colored in my book."

Good grief... it's like bad case of tattle-tale. Both parties should grow up. Who needs to watch soap-opera's when all you have to do is read a newspaper or turn on the news.

It reminds me of big time wrestling when I was a kid, until l got old enough and learned it was an act, and after the match was over, whoever was involved, went for beers and cocktails.

originally posted by: Daedal
Mommy, "Billy took my crayons." Billy, "no l didn't, she colored in my book."

Good grief... it's like bad case of tattle-tale. Both parties should grow up. Who needs to watch soap-opera's when all you have to do is read a newspaper or turn on the news.

It reminds me of big time wrestling when I was a kid, until l got old enough and learned it was an act, and after the match was over, whoever was involved, went for beers and cocktails.

except instead of crayons and coloring books its bribes, insane wars, and over the top sweatheart deals that have broken the world economy
its not a match
its not some little kids that should grow up

its very real and important things that are effecting life on a global scale
sorry if nobody wants to have a beer with these A holes on either side that have decimated your childrens futures