Forgotten Human History

a reply to: Hanslune

I can't readily find it but I remember reading online that the jungles of Africa like the Amazon may be hiding some ancient farmlands on a scale and complexity that would vastly oversupply the 'believed' population size that once inhabited the continent at the time.

The site had some rather interesting speculation and circumstantial evidence. If I find it again I'll post a link, Don't hold your breath though it was back in the interwebs infancy.

a reply to: Maltese5Rhino

Money makes the world go round so the saying goes.


Sad but true, Maybe, if there were more public awareness then we could have nice things.

Not just societal needs but also discovering where we came from and how we got here etc.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: SLAYER69

Great thread! There's much to be discovered in Africa. It was only last year that scientists reported on evidence of controlled cooking fires a million years ago in Wonderwerk Cave, in South Africa’s Northern Cape province. Evidence in Wonderwerk points to occupation by our primitive ancestors going back two million years and as recently as the 1900's by our own species.

Oh yeah

I completely forgot about the 'South African' potential. There's another great story yet to be completely explored, unfold and to be told.

Thanks for reminding me and posting the link

a reply to: Agartha

Yes the Kiffians and Tenerians

Tenerians pdf

The importance of Gobero

Ye t more

Kiffians on wiki

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: SLAYER69

Excellent post; there are numerous missions going on/planned for that area, unfortunately delayed or hampered by the political difficulties of most of the nations/former natilons in that area.

I know

The modern world tends to screw it up, AGAIN.

At least we have people in the 'Know' considering in-depth explorations. My only fear is that those doing the digging actually making their finds public and not get squirreled away like we've heard about on so many 'controversial' finds.

Hopefully more will come to light in my lifetime.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: SLAYER69

Excellent post; there are numerous missions going on/planned for that area, unfortunately delayed or hampered by the political difficulties of most of the nations/former natilons in that area.

I know

The modern world tends to screw it up, AGAIN.

At least we have people in the 'Know' considering in-depth explorations. My only fear is that those doing the digging actually making their finds public and not get squirreled away like we've heard about on so many 'controversial' finds.

Hopefully more will come to light in my lifetime.

Controversial finds? That is just what any lusty* archeologist is looking for!


*lusty in the 19th century meaning.

originally posted by: Agartha
In the year 2000 anthropologists discovered the remains of people that were over six feet tall, with dense bones which indicated they were exrtremely muscular, which also indicated they ate lots of proteins. They lived in the Sahara aprox. 9000 years ago and did not die violently, as none of the remains had many scars or injuries. Their graves contained no goods in them (such as bones, beads, arrow heads, etc), which caused all questions about them to go unanswered. Anthropologists also don't know how they have died.

Who were these incredibly muscular and tall people? Where did they go? What happened to them?
LINK

Thanks for providing some info and the link.

LOL, That site confused me for a second. Talking about Africa and showing an Inca site at top.

Here is the link provided in your link to the original article

Green Sahara

originally posted by: Hanslune
a reply to: Agartha

Yes the Kiffians and Tenerians

Tenerians pdf

The importance of Gobero

Yes! the Kiffians were those I have described in my first post, incredibly tall and muscular, whilst the Tenerians were just above 5 feet and very small. The Tenerians buried their dead with goods and artifacts, hence we know a lot more about them, whilst we know practically nothing about the Kiffians..... so far scientists can only make assumptions based on the analized skeletons.

I am fascinated by them, becauses of how unusually big they were and how mysterious their lives.

I think they went to France. Didn't they find some cave paintings that were presumably only possible to execute by a taller person?

They say we are bigger now than people from the classical and medieval era.

But then you have scared little Romans running around terrified of the German giants.

I think it has more to do with diet.

a reply to: nukedog

Do you remember the names of those caves, nukedog?

a reply to: Agartha

No I just remember it was some animal painting and there was a rock the person stood on and painted the ceiling from.

I thought it was France. I think they said he must have been 8' tall

I am reminded of the thread somewhere on ASTS.com about the red haired giants graves being found in New Zealand, and the Mouris insisting that the remains be destroyed, no photos being taken, no maps made.

originally posted by: pikestaff
I am reminded of the thread somewhere on ASTS.com about the red haired giants graves being found in New Zealand, and the Mouris insisting that the remains be destroyed, no photos being taken, no maps made.

This is part of the 'Celts' or 'Aryans' myth in NZ - the Patu-paiarehe-, evidence for which is rather lacking.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: Hanslune

I can't readily find it but I remember reading online that the jungles of Africa like the Amazon may be hiding some ancient farmlands on a scale and complexity that would vastly oversupply the 'believed' population size that once inhabited the continent at the time.

That is unlikely for a couple of reasons, one is that agriculture came very very late to sub sharan Africa, less than 3000 years ago, and secondly the rain forests of tropical Africa have been one of the climatologicaly stable environments on the planet. The climate there has not changed much over the last few million years.

a reply to: ManFromEurope
a reply to: Maltese5Rhino

Great replies...While I am a history buff, I seem to have forgotten that documentation and patience is paramount when excavating a site. I've seen the documentaries and even as a kid once spent time in North Dakota digging fossils.

It was nerve wracking for me. When something gets me excited I become impatient I think.

That could explain my luck with women...what? TMI?

a reply to: punkinworks10

As far as we presently know, sure.

This isn't what I was searching for but it's a start.

Once-Green Sahara Hosted Early African Dairy Farms

The sandy dunes of the Sahara may seem an unlikely place for a dairy farm, but about 7,000 years ago, herders tended and milked cattle in what is now desolate desert, new research shows.

a reply to: Agartha

I guess it was this one?

Lascaux

The ceiling of the Apse, which ranges from 1.6 to 2.7 meters high (about 5.2 to 8.9 feet) as measured from the original floor height, is so completely decorated with such engravings that it indicates that the prehistoric people who executed them first constructed a scaffold to do so.

I remember reading something different kind of. It was somewhere where they were saying whoever did them were tall

Wasn't Nabta Playa build around the time we are discussing here? Didn't the original builders of the Megaliths (Azelians) travel from France, to Spain, then on through Algeria-Sahara when it was jungle? Aren't there a tonne of rock arts that display this (also a tall race - akin to modern day Kenyans? versus a shorter race - big difference in the rock art; latter following former)?

Is it possible that those responsible for the megaliths were (over hundreds of years), refining their art in megalithery? Isn't there a link somewhere to one of the paintings on the Lacroux caves (man bowled over sideways as bull approaches above duck) to the Dendera Relief of Egypt (& consequently those images the Babylonians & Greeks made - Orion Vs Bull?) Are these not all ancient means to put meanings behind what we saw in the stars; ancient star maps? Could this have put Lacroux Cave as being the most ancient place astronomical observations were made? Beyond this theory,did the ancients copy this (even if they saw it there as a completely unconnected-to-the-stars image & decided to join the dots & make it so - Picard-style)? Are we missing the biggest piece of the puzzle in the Sahara Desert? Just look at pre-existing research out there. You'll be amazed. Brilliant post, op!!!

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: punkinworks10

As far as we presently know, sure.

This isn't what I was searching for but it's a start.

Once-Green Sahara Hosted Early African Dairy Farms

The sandy dunes of the Sahara may seem an unlikely place for a dairy farm, but about 7,000 years ago, herders tended and milked cattle in what is now desolate desert, new research shows.

Pastoralism has deep roots in north Africa, I did a thread on yougurt making by these people. The cattle they were using were a mix of domestic cattle from Anatolia and wild aurochs from Britain.
Also those people were not black africans but were Eurasians.
Pastoralism like agriculture didn't make it to sub Saharan Africa until fairly recently less than 5k years ago.
What you will find is that "archaic" humans persisted in sub Saharan Africa almost up to the Bantu expansion, which brought Pastoralism and agri culture to south and east Africa.

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: butcherguy
What I don't understand is why it takes decades to unearth a village. I understand trying to preserve history and all, but if an institution finds a archaeological site, it seems to take years to unearth it since they seem to just pick at it for years.

Let's bear in mind the ramifications of what I call the 'Schultz Maxim' - "A nice place to camp is a nice place to camp." One's focus may be upon a particular 4000 year old horizon, but there could well be scores of components overlaying each other like pancakes. Ethically, each one needs the same attention as one's own area of research.

I once heard an archaeologist, who when queried as to why he had not earlier encountered pre-Clovis upon a site, stated "Once we cleared Clovis, we stopped digging." Similar deal...it's a linear thang.