Jay Weidner on our hidden history.

I find people like Jay Weidner interesting. If what they say is true then our ancient, ancient history would look more like a science fiction movie than something akin to "The Ten Commandments."

So do you believe that the super-elite know that people like Weidner are absolutely correct?

I would like to see what your studies have brought you to believe. Please, please share your findings or videos.

a reply to: edward777

33 minutes is a big investment with little or no description, so I had a little scan in on five mins and this guy is talking about 1) previous human civilisations reaching the moon and 2) how Gobekli Tepe is actually a highly advanced city. I stopped there as 1) IMO did not and could never have happened and 2) is not true (what has been uncovered so far is a series of cult centres and not a city).

I stopped at that point due to lack of faith and as it's really not my bag.....

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: edward777
so I had a little scan in on five mins and this guy is talking about 1) previous human civilisations reaching the moon and 2) how Gobekli Tepe is actually a highly advanced city. I stopped there as 1) IMO did not and could never have happened and 2) is not true (what has been uncovered so far is a series of cult centres and not a city).

I stopped at that point due to lack of faith and as it's really not my bag.....

As a trained (former) archaeologist specialized in prehistoric cultures, I can tell you that there is absolutely no scientific evidence telling us that Göbleki Tepe was a 'cult center'. It could have been, but that is just a theory put forward by Klaus Schmidt, the now deceased head archaeologist at GT. The latest excavations indicate that they were making beer at the site, so was it a cult center or a brewery? Hopefully we'll find out more in the future, but for now nothing is certain.

originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: edward777
so I had a little scan in on five mins and this guy is talking about 1) previous human civilisations reaching the moon and 2) how Gobekli Tepe is actually a highly advanced city. I stopped there as 1) IMO did not and could never have happened and 2) is not true (what has been uncovered so far is a series of cult centres and not a city).

I stopped at that point due to lack of faith and as it's really not my bag.....

As a trained (former) archaeologist specialized in prehistoric cultures, I can tell you that there is absolutely no scientific evidence telling us that Göbleki Tepe was a 'cult center'. It could have been, but that is just a theory put forward by Klaus Schmidt, the now deceased head archaeologist at GT. The latest excavations indicate that they were making beer at the site, so was it a cult center or a brewery? Hopefully we'll find out more in the future, but for now nothing is certain.

Cultameister dark Ale?

a reply to: Heliocentric

As someone who took the same educational/career path for a while at least, i was going on the old fall back of "ritual"; but a city has not been found, which was my point after all.

a reply to: Heliocentric

I think at this stage of the excavations its a bit premature to make any sort of definitive statements regarding GT. its been 18 years since Schmidt starting work there and still only about 5% of the Neolithic parts of the site have been worked and excavated to any extent. If the entire site were completely composed of what Schmidt had uncovered thus far then he might have a little ground to stand on with his hypothesis but I think that the most exciting finds at GT are still buried and won't be uncovered for decades. Only when a lot more of the site is uncovered and documented will we really know or have a clue what exactly was going on there and to what extent, over 10 millennia ago.

originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Heliocentric

I think at this stage of the excavations its a bit premature to make any sort of definitive statements regarding GT. its been 18 years since Schmidt starting work there and still only about 5% of the Neolithic parts of the site have been worked and excavated to any extent. If the entire site were completely composed of what Schmidt had uncovered thus far then he might have a little ground to stand on with his hypothesis but I think that the most exciting finds at GT are still buried and won't be uncovered for decades. Only when a lot more of the site is uncovered and documented will we really know or have a clue what exactly was going on there and to what extent, over 10 millennia ago.

As I have noted before the DAI is noted for its glacial excavation style. It took them a century (with breaks for wars) to do Baalbek. It will be quite some time before that site is even half excavated - probably not before half the people reading this line are dead.

a reply to: edward777

Well I skipped to the end and its some mild doom porn - not too interesting - funny when he thinks 'they' made hunger games to 'prepare us', lol, so I skipped back and found him talking about Posnansky whom he seem to think was correct - he wasn't.

So based on those two small peeks I'd give it a thumbs down.

For the OP what three things in that did you think was valid?

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: Heliocentric

As someone who took the same educational/career path for a while at least, i was going on the old fall back of "ritual"; but a city has not been found, which was my point after all.

Your point is taken. Mine was that renowned archaeologists often put out theories about their work that turns out wrong a generation or so later. It does not mean one should stop theorizing, it means one should not treat their theories as facts, and I'm not referring to you here but in a general sense.

As to the much debated Göbleki Tepe, I don't think we can exclude that GT was a city anymore than we can conclude that it was a ritual center. Here's how I reason about it.

The structures at GT are an impressive feat of engineering no matter how we chose to look at them, and probably represent the pinnacle of what builders, stone masons, carpenters and artists in that region were capable of at the time. They speak of two things. First, a society in which people developed professional skill sets and worked under an authority in a hierarchical structure. Second, their impressive stature speaks of power. Whether that power was spiritual (as Klaus Schmidt theorized) or autocratic is too early to say, but we cannot exclude that the GT structures were 'seats of power', built for either a single ruler, clan, counsel of elders or other. In that case, we have an embryo of a state, and a seat of that state.

When we use the definition city, we do not have to stick to the classic city state model. If we compare with Stonehenge, we now know that the megalithic complex wasn't the only edifice in the area. There were a number of edifices spread out over a large territory, and in between there seems to have been settlements.
In Caral, Peru, the oldest known civilization of the South Americas, we also find a network of villages/settlements over a large area, with one central, ceremonial 'city' complex dominating several smaller ones. These 'city' models resemble modern Los Angeles, where the population is spread out in smaller communities revolving around a central hub. While we have not found a concentration of settlements in the immediate area around GT, we find more and more of these small neolithic settlements in upper Mesopotamia that were culturally linked, perhaps to GT. Further surveys of the areas around the Sanliurfa region will hopefully tell us more about the nature and extent of this network.

a reply to: Heliocentric

Did you listen to the op's clip? I'm honestly not interested in a discussion, my initial comment here was a "I'm not touching that crap with a ten foot pole" and the reasons for that need no debating amongst sane folk.

originally posted by: Heliocentric

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: edward777
so I had a little scan in on five mins and this guy is talking about 1) previous human civilisations reaching the moon and 2) how Gobekli Tepe is actually a highly advanced city. I stopped there as 1) IMO did not and could never have happened and 2) is not true (what has been uncovered so far is a series of cult centres and not a city).

I stopped at that point due to lack of faith and as it's really not my bag.....

The latest excavations indicate that they were making beer at the site, so was it a cult center or a brewery?

Same thing, no? Except in the states, where most people think slightly flavored water is beer.

a reply to: edward777


Can't watch the video on my phone but will watch at a later date when ISP gets my interwebs rolling again. That said:

I have zero doubt that human and/or pre-modern human civilization is far, far older than most could imagine. In fact, I think human civilization goes all the way back to 1000-2000 years after the dinosaur mass extinction and has been through many stages of build-up and destruction. Not only did ancient man make it to the moon, they made it to Earth!

What am I talking about? Well I'm glad you asked! I believe that humans did not originate on this planet, we came here from the Orion constellation, found out the planet was inhabited by monstrous beasts so they hurled a massive asteroid at the planet to wipe the slate clean. Then it was just a matter of waiting until the climate stabilized before movin onto the surface and building the legendary civilizations we've never heard of and have been lost to time. What makes me believe this is that every other animal on the planet is built for this planet but we are not. Our joints wear out quickly, we are incredibly weak and even our most healthy food slowly poisons us and causes aging.