Russell Tribunal - Israeli officials appear to have been guilty of Incitement to Genocide

and finally, the minimal damage done by the rockets, seven civilian deaths over the entire period, is too small a security threat to qualify as “an armed attack” as is required by the UN Charter to uphold a claim of self-defense.

This statement alone proves how ridiculous this is...........

It doesnt matter how many people the rockets killed.......

You take any other country in the world and you have another country launch ANY type of rocket into its city and the one that shot the rockets will be retaliated against with extreme predjudice.......

For them to even state this is as disengenous as it gets......

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

«Israels is a "state" that steal, beat, suffocate, poison, terrorizes and kill Palestinians at their native land since 1937, March.»

The above is a fact that you or anyone here can't deny, happening for more than 77 year's now.

In your own words:
«The statement alone proves how ridiculous this is...»
and
«It doesn't matter how many people the rockets killed..» (referring to Israeli rockets, massacres, bombs, bullets and Firing Zones (ex. 918) since the occupation)

List of Irgun attacks 1937-1948

The Nobel Prize of Literature José Saramago compares the suffering of the Palestinians under Israeli occupation as the same suffering of the jews in the Nazi boot camps.

“The repression from Israel is the worst form of Apartheid. Nobody has the faintest idea of what is going on here, even the best informed people. Everything is in pieces, the land is destroyed and nothing else may be planted. All this smells like a boot camp, like Auschwitz. The israeli have turned into NAZI JEWS”

he declared after a visit to Palestina in March, 2002.
Israeli Massacres on Palestinians

The statement made in 2002, sadly, applies in perfect detail to what happened recently. And this Will Go ON if nobody stands against it. Every reader on this forum has the opportunity to make a stand, by not staying in silence with is. Help others understand what's really happening.

I would risk to say that: To be evil or good it takes the same amount of work, the difference is the result.

note:
the link above has a long list of massacres perpetrated by Israelis since 1937 to 2011, and it needs an update.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: buster2010

Maybe they should have though first before trying to invade and wipe Israel off the map.. In case you forgot, and me thinks you have, Israel returned territory captured in exchange for recognition of Israel and a peace treaty.

That included the Golan heights, which Syria refused.
The Sinai was returned to Egypt in exchange for recognition and a peace treaty.
Jordan signed a peace treaty and recognized Israel. The West Bank was left under Israeli control with the caveat it be used as part of a Palestinian state.
Gaza was the same...

An independent state is not going to happen when the group controlling is Hamas, whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel.

There have been multiple times where Palestine could have been its own independent state. Several Arab nations who hate Israel saw to it that never occurred.

Has it ever occurred to you that there might be an independent Palestinian state had Hamas not been trying to kill every Israeli they come across?

You guys blame Israel while ignoring the other parties involved. It takes 2 to tango.

You keep ignoring that Israel is a guest on those lands despite any biblical claims. First the Zionists tries to use the NAZI's to back their move, then they went on to Russia, then they terrorized Britain and even assassinated
a British officials who didn't agree with the zionist agenda.

Face it! Israel is dirty whore who will lie l, steel, cheat, murder and stab in the back to get whatever it wants.

Definition of genocide

Article 2 of the convention defines genocide as:

..any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article 3 defines the crimes that can be punished under the convention:

(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Taking in consideration the following list of massacres perpetrated by Israelis after WW2 to the Palestinian (including List of Irgun attacks 1937-1948)



Article 2 and 3 applies without any doubt.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

and finally, the minimal damage done by the rockets, seven civilian deaths over the entire period, is too small a security threat to qualify as “an armed attack” as is required by the UN Charter to uphold a claim of self-defense.

This statement alone proves how ridiculous this is...........

It doesnt matter how many people the rockets killed.......

You take any other country in the world and you have another country launch ANY type of rocket into its city and the one that shot the rockets will be retaliated against with extreme predjudice.......

For them to even state this is as disengenous as it gets......

That was probably the dumbest thing I have heard all year. Regardless of the amount of damage caused by HAMAS rockets, just the fact that they were fired at Israel automatically dictates the death of 2000 people that had nothing to do with the rockets.

Your not even right in the head are you?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

and finally, the minimal damage done by the rockets, seven civilian deaths over the entire period, is too small a security threat to qualify as “an armed attack” as is required by the UN Charter to uphold a claim of self-defense.

This statement alone proves how ridiculous this is...........

It doesnt matter how many people the rockets killed.......

You take any other country in the world and you have another country launch ANY type of rocket into its city and the one that shot the rockets will be retaliated against with extreme predjudice.......

For them to even state this is as disengenous as it gets......

That was probably the dumbest thing I have heard all year. Regardless of the amount of damage caused by HAMAS rockets, just the fact that they were fired at Israel automatically dictates the death of 2000 people that had nothing to do with the rockets.

Your not even right in the head are you?

It doesnt matter if you find it dumb or not its the truth.........

there is no country out there that if bombed wouldnt retaliate with bombs and most with an air campaign.....

And there wouldnt be any warning knocks either.....

Someone def needs to get in the right head.........that would be the people who think anyone should just sit there when rockets are being launched at their city.....

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

and finally, the minimal damage done by the rockets, seven civilian deaths over the entire period, is too small a security threat to qualify as “an armed attack” as is required by the UN Charter to uphold a claim of self-defense.

This statement alone proves how ridiculous this is...........

It doesnt matter how many people the rockets killed.......

You take any other country in the world and you have another country launch ANY type of rocket into its city and the one that shot the rockets will be retaliated against with extreme predjudice.......

For them to even state this is as disengenous as it gets......

That was probably the dumbest thing I have heard all year. Regardless of the amount of damage caused by HAMAS rockets, just the fact that they were fired at Israel automatically dictates the death of 2000 people that had nothing to do with the rockets.

Your not even right in the head are you?

It doesnt matter if you find it dumb or not its the truth.........

there is no country out there that if bombed wouldnt retaliate with bombs and most with an air campaign.....

And there wouldnt be any warning knocks either.....

Someone def needs to get in the right head.........that would be the people who think anyone should just sit there when rockets are being launched at their city.....

It is not Israel's city. I know Israel just wants everyone to move on from that fact but it is still a fact. Nearly all the land Israel is on today was taken by military force which is a little bit illegal. By Israel's logic, Afghanistan is a US state now because they attacked the US so their land is forfeit... right?

Lets not forget as well that the Zionists were also backing the Nazi's and offered to fight along side the Nazi's against the British as to get the British out of the ME so they would stop regulating the number of Jews that could immigrate to Palestine.

What dirty whore Israel is eh?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

It is not Israel's city. I know Israel just wants everyone to move on from that fact but it is still a fact. Nearly all the land Israel is on today was taken by military force which is a little bit illegal. By Israel's logic, Afghanistan is a US state now because they attacked the US so their land is forfeit... right?

Um no Afghanistan is not a US state now.......thats not how it works , you really need to brush up on History and how warfare works..

When you attack another nation with your army and they push you back, dont be surprised if they dont give you your ground back....should have thought about it before you tried to invade them..

Second , it doesnt matter if its theirs or not, if a nation fires on you, you have the right to retaliate, it doesntmatter if their rockets killed anyone or not....

You dont wait for the big one to hit before you say "Ok thats it, now were angry"

THe connotative disconnect and deliberate overlooking of common sense here just because you hate Israel is getting ridiculous

a reply to: voyger2

What a load of cow dung!!! That is a nice pic of FLARES you have there. Don't even claim it is something else cause I will embarrass you!!! We are in the END TIMES, the pure hate against the Jews is equal to the beginning of WW2 in Germany.

woundedamericanwarrior.com...

Not even remotely considered Genocide!!! Hamas and the rest of the Terrorist groups in Gaza do not get any money from Iran and other nations unless they are striking at Israel. Every video made of kids rushing into the hospital in Gaza had kids sitting there crying with maybe a little band aid on their leg or something ridiculous. Don't forget all the kids they showed lined up in the fashion as well, they were not dead either. They had no visible injury's and were not even remotely pale. If it wasn't a pic and a video I am sure we would have seen the same thing, kids moving around and breathing. Hamas and the Pallys are notorious for their lies.

The lesson is simple, do not shoot rockets at Israel and they will not bomb the hell out of you!!! The Arabs in the west bank do not get bombed, ask yourself why? It does not take a smart person to figure that out.

For all you who say the Jews are occupying Arab land, Here you have your answer in STONE from 1213BC in Egypt!

The Merneptah Stele—also known as the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah—is an inscription by the Ancient Egyptian king Merneptah (reign: 1213 to 1203 BC) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.[1][2] The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a separate campaign in Canaan, then part of Egypt's imperial possessions. While alternative translations have been put forward, the majority of biblical archeologists translate a set of hieroglyphs on Line 27 as "Israel", such that it represents the first documented instance of the name Israel in the historical record,[2] and the only mention in Ancient Egypt.[3] As a result, some consider the stele to be Flinders Petrie's most famous discovery,[4] an opinion with which Petrie himself concurred.[5]

en.wikipedia.org...

Go argue with an ancient Egyptian massive stone that is verified by everyone to be authentic in age and translation. Before you uneducated people come claiming well they were not Jews, Yes they were, they are the only ones who call that land Israel.

Gaza reaps what they sow and there is not one thing that any of you can do about it. Criticizing and bashing Israel only seals your punishment from God. Israel is only victorious through him, that is why the CIA and all other intelligence and military's around the world are still completely baffled by the outcome of every Israeli war. They do not even study them anymore because they know it had to be a miracle for them to win every war when it looked like they would be defeated.

I really feel sorry for you people who do not believe in the true son of God, Jesus Christ. The time is coming where we will all suffer but the believer will be protected from the horrible parts and spending the afterlife in heaven and not hell is my plan. What do you lose for believing and just being a good person?? You lose big time for not believing while knowing!! I have powerful Angels watching my back, do you?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: MALBOSIA
THe connotative disconnect and deliberate overlooking of common sense here just because you hate Palestine is getting ridiculous

I just made a little adjust on your speech over there. Imagine, it perfectly applies to your position. Amazing isn't it?

Your common sense lies on "right" to retaliate, yet ignoring all Crimes of War / Conspiracy to commit genocide / Direct and public incitement to commit genocide / Attempts to commit genocide and Complicity in ONGOING genocide perpetrated by Israelis to the Palestinian people, that had nothing to do with the "holocaust"/ww2.

What about their right to retaliate for all the Palestinian victims (children's,mothers and fathers) since 1937?

Who can condemn their right to fight with all they have against their annihilation ?

Who is defending them ? It certainly isn't the US the UK or the UN!!

Theirs thousands of answers to be made for every innocent Palestinian victim that continues to die and suffocate in the hands of a powerful oppressor with clay feet!

Where is the common sense about that? You can ignore but you know better, the truth it will prevail in the long run.
I will do my best to stand against your kind of common sense!

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: MALBOSIA

It is not Israel's city. I know Israel just wants everyone to move on from that fact but it is still a fact. Nearly all the land Israel is on today was taken by military force which is a little bit illegal. By Israel's logic, Afghanistan is a US state now because they attacked the US so their land is forfeit... right?

When you attack another nation with your army and they push you back, dont be surprised if they dont give you your ground back....should have thought about it before you tried to invade them..

Can you tell me where this "you keep what you kill" law is written? What international law states that when you are attacked by another nation, you get to keep the land and dictate travel as well as import/exports for the innocent people within that nation? Other than Israel's psychopathic beliefs that is.

The rockets may have given Israel the right to retaliate, however, the manner in which they retaliate is under scrutiny.

I don't know why you work so hard to stand up for a nation that has stabbed everyone that tries to help them in the back. Do I hate Israel? Yes. Why? Because they can't handle their own affairs. They beg the world for money and protection and then tell the world to f off when the world shows concern about how they are handling the freedoms and rights of those living inside the boarders that only belong to Israel because of the support given by countries that Israel tell to f off. The UN included.

Why do you hate Palestinians so much that you do not believe they deserve a homeland? Why do you hate them so much that you have come to believe that Palestinians can not be trusted unless there are Israeli (American) weapons pointed at them at all times? Is "Palestinian" a legitimate term in your eyes?

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Not even remotely considered Genocide!!! Hamas and the rest of the Terrorist groups in Gaza do not get any money from Iran and other nations unless they are striking at Israel

This is where you can tell there is such bias.......its albout hate for Israel.......because......

Why arent they accusing ISIS of genocide? They are trying to wipe out every Christian and non-hardline muslim everywhere they go......

They are LITERALLY beheading women and children.........

not a peep about genocide from the Palestinian supporters about ACTUAL GENOCIDAL INTENTION happening just across the way......

And they are attacking the Kurds to try to wipe them out...

NOTHING from these Terrorist supporting hacks.......nothing about the REAL genocide from people who have killed WAY more this last few MONTHS then the whole Israeli conflict did when it flared up this year..........

(not pointed to youPatriots) You guys with your anti Israel bullcrap , while ignoring the real genocidal maniacs beheading children make me sick....

You should be ashamed of yourselves

a reply to: Xcathdra

Maybe they should have though first before trying to invade and wipe Israel off the map.. In case you forgot, and me thinks you have, Israel returned territory captured in exchange for recognition of Israel and a peace treaty.

Lie number one. Israel has not returned all the land it has stolen. Every inch of land that has been taken since 1948 is stolen land and should be returned.

That included the Golan heights, which Syria refused.

Israel wanted a peace agreement in exchange for returning that land to Syria. Why should Syria accept the demands of the people that started the war.

The Sinai was returned to Egypt in exchange for recognition and a peace treaty.

Not to mention 1.5 billion a year from America to keep that peace treaty going.

Jordan signed a peace treaty and recognized Israel. The West Bank was left under Israeli control with the caveat it be used as part of a Palestinian state. Gaza was the same...

Israel has no right controlling any part of Palestine.

There have been multiple times where Palestine could have been its own independent state. Several Arab nations who hate Israel saw to it that never occurred.

Yes like the nations that kiss Israel's butt would have voted for Palestine to become a state.

Has it ever occurred to you that there might be an independent Palestinian state had Hamas not been trying to kill every Israeli they come across?

Israel was killing Palestinians before they helped create Hamas so why wasn't Palestine already made into a state? Also if Hamas is trying to kill every Israeli they come across then why don't they just kill the guards at the checkpoints that makes Gaza a open air prison.

You guys blame Israel while ignoring the other parties involved.

And people like you overlook the long list of constant crimes that Israel commits against Palestine and cry about how Hamas attacks Israel when Israel just wants peace.

IS RESISTING GENOCIDE A HUMAN RIGHT? David B. Kopel / Paul Gallant /Joanne D. Eisen – Article 2006

Besides other issues the above Article, analyzes the Genocide Convention and other sources of international human rights law.
The very strong language of the Genocide Convention forbids any form of complicity in genocide, and because the Genocide Convention is jus cogens (meaning that it prevails over any conflicting national or international law)

The Article concludes that the Genocide Convention forbids any interference, including interference based on otherwise valid laws, against the procurement of defensive arms by groups which are being victimized by genocide.

I will quote some parts of the article, always in the perspective of the Palestinians right to self-defense under JUS COGENS.

JUS COGENS

Under international law, some laws are accorded the status of Jus cogens, which means that in case of conflict, they override other laws.Many commentators agree that the duty to prevent genocide must be considered jus cogens. Indeed, it would be difficult to articulate a more fundamental principle than the prevention of genocide.

The record is clear that Suarez (Francisco Súarez, a scholar and Jesuit who is recognized as a founder of modern international law[) strongly believed in a natural human right of self-defense. Self-defense, said Suarez, was “ ‘the greatest of rights,’ ” a right which belonged to individuals and to communities. This right of self-defense included a right of defense against tyrants.

Accordingly, the legal duty to prevent genocide would be superior to whatever limits the U.N. Charter sets on military action which is not authorized by the Security Council. Similarly, the legal duty to prevent genocide would be superior to treaties or conventions restricting the transfer or possession of arms.

The human rights organization Genocide Watch has created a model of the eight stages of genocide: classification, symbolization, dehumanization, organization, polarization, preparation, extermination, and denial.

The preparation Plan has been known for a while now.
Extermination was and is ongoing (we could and should include lots of evidence direct/indirect, evident/subtle proof for this).
The Denial is starting at this time (Hamas “Terrorists”/right to self-defense?! And what about the right of the Palestinians to self-defense against tyranny, oppression, theft, imprison, blockade and murder? ).

At the least, the precautionary principle should authorize arms acquisition by victims when a genocidal government has advanced to the stage of “preparation.”

On element of proof for the above is the The Plan, others should and can be included.

Of course there may be good faith uncertainty about whether a particular government really has entered the preparation stage. After all, governments intent on genocide almost never make candid announcements about their intentions.

The Israeli Officials Did!

And sometimes third parties will, for reasons of their own, remain willfully blind to genocidal preparations;

US government (gives weaposn and money) UK (weapons) and UN (inaction).

We do suggest that once a morally accountable person —such as a head of state, a diplomat, a judge, or any other
person— makes a good faith determination that a particular government has entered the preparation stage of genocide, then the moral person should immediately refrain from any action (..) which might interfere with the ability of the targeted genocide victims to arm themselves defensively.

Rather, we argue that international law, as it presently exists, forbids the denial of arms to people currently suffering from genocide. We also agree with the dissenting judges for the 1951 International Court of Justice opinion, that “the enormity of the crime of genocide can hardly be exaggerated, and any treaty for its repression deserves the most generous interpretation.”
Accordingly, the fundamental human right of self-defense against genocide should be applied to cases where genocide has reached the extermination stage, and also to cases where genocide preparation has begun.

Conclusion

Kofi Annan spoke eloquently: “Throughout the world, the victims of violence and injustice are waiting; waiting for us to keep our word. They notice when we use words to mask inaction. They notice when laws that should protect them are not applied . . . . Let our generation not be found wanting.”

In this Article, we have shown that, under existing international
law, genocide victims are not obliged to wait for foreign governments or world organizations to rescue them.

According to normative principles of international law and according to positive international law, genocide victims have a fundamental human right to use armed force to resist genocide. Because the prohibition of genocide is a peremptory
jus cogens norm of international law, any local, national, or international laws or government actions which interfere with self-defense by genocide victims are necessarily unlawful. In particular, arms control laws which may be generally valid may not be enforced against genocide victims or against persons who supply arms to genocide victims; enforcement would make the enforcing court or other state agency complicit in genocide.

Any interference—including interference under color of law— with the self-defense rights of genocide victims constitutes a grave violation of the most fundamental of all international and moral laws.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Not even remotely considered Genocide!!! Hamas and the rest of the Terrorist groups in Gaza do not get any money from Iran and other nations unless they are striking at Israel

This is where you can tell there is such bias.......its albout hate for Israel.......because......

Why arent they accusing ISIS of genocide? They are trying to wipe out every Christian and non-hardline muslim everywhere they go......

They are LITERALLY beheading women and children.........

not a peep about genocide from the Palestinian supporters about ACTUAL GENOCIDAL INTENTION happening just across the way......

And they are attacking the Kurds to try to wipe them out...

NOTHING from these Terrorist supporting hacks.......nothing about the REAL genocide from people who have killed WAY more this last few MONTHS then the whole Israeli conflict did when it flared up this year..........

(not pointed to youPatriots) You guys with your anti Israel bullcrap , while ignoring the real genocidal maniacs beheading children make me sick....

You should be ashamed of yourselves

Holy crap!! You just justified Israel's actions by comparing Israel to ISIS?

Is that what Israel was hoping for? For everyone to forget about Israel's treachery in the face of ISIS?

And you tried to suggest that Palestinians were somehow behind ISIS?

You should be ashamed of yourself. To bury the actions of Israel behind a (barely) more current event.

Israel must despise the internet. No control over the information and no ability to sway public opinion any more. I bet they are beating their heads against the wall trying to understand why people don't think how Israel tells them to think. The frustration must be intense.

"Incitement to genocide"? That's the best they can do? Over 2,000 dead Gazans I' m guessing somebody must have killed them but they can't figure out who. All in an operation that sounds like a shaving cream - Protective Edge. Those Israelis sure learned how to market effectively.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Holy crap!! You just justified Israel's actions by comparing Israel to ISIS?

I didnt justify anything, I pointed out the fact that there is REAL genocide going on by ISIS and no one seems up in arms about it.....

Instead they are using the word as a hot button phrase again Israel, when its clearly NOT genocide......

if you cant separate truth from catch phrases I dunno what to tell you.......

Seriously wheres the outrage from the Muslim Extremist who are literally committing genocide........

You have a clear and present example of what genocide is really like happning RIGHT NOW, but you want to accuse Israel of it?

Give me a break

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You take any other country in the world and you have another country launch ANY type of rocket into its city and the one that shot the rockets will be retaliated against with extreme predjudice.......

Just like when you have a nation that invades another nation murders and kidnaps it's citizens like Israel does to Palestine then you have to expect that Palestine will attack Israel. People need to start seeing the whole picture instead of just believing Israel's propaganda saying we want to live in peace and we are defending ourselves.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I pointed out the fact that there is REAL genocide going on by ISIS and no one seems up in arms about it.....

No one is up in arms about it? Have you been watching the news lately? There is a number of nations attacking ISIS because of what they are doing like slaughtering people.

Instead they are using the word as a hot button phrase again Israel, when its clearly NOT genocide..

gen·o·cide
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
Sure looks like they are guilty of it.

Seriously wheres the outrage from the Muslim Extremist who are literally committing genocide.

You seriously need to start paying attention to what is going on in the world. You have heard of a little thing called the war on terror that has been going on for over a decade now right?

You have a clear and present example of what genocide is really like happening RIGHT NOW, but you want to accuse Israel of it?

Israel is guilty of it so why shouldn't they be accused of it?