A health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital has tested positive for Ebola

Just heard the UN is calling this "the worst health emergency of modern times" , bbc 1 .
So we're on the right topic just here . Wouldn't blame you jnc if you were panicked .
Thanks for the links all will have to read tomorrow .

originally posted by: roadgravel

My doctor? A 19 year old who had been out of medical school for 4 YEARS.

A doctor at 15? If the person doesn't have a Nobel prize, I think I would pass. 3rd world medical school or what.

Were you treated by doogie howser?

Technically, that wouldn't be a lie. It is gated.

Update on the possible Edmonton case.

They are saying it's not Ebola but the release is not making me feel any better when they will not say what it was or confirm these were even Ebola related precautions. It makes me think something else is going on here. Possibly a devious way to promote the potential vaccine that is being tested. Work the people up, then tell them they are safe...rinse, repeat. People will eventually opt for the vaccine instead of the uncertainty. (Just a guess). Bold text in news quote is my addition.

www.cbc.ca...

Infection control measures are no longer needed in Edmonton after a diagnosis was confirmed in a patient who was isolated with a contagious illness over the weekend. AHS (Alberta Health Services) confirmed the diagnosis, but will not say what illness the person had, nor would the health authority specify that fears of Ebola prompted the isolation procedures.

I keep hearing them say they wouldn't be surprised if there were more Duncan contacts testing positive for Ebola. Are they slowly leading us up to something they already know, like the family in that apartment starting to show signs in a few days?

a reply to: ValentineWiggin

It's worth repeating. Arthropods are being considered as possible reservoir/vectors. Ecologgy of Marburg and Ebola.
I avoid long quotes but here it's justified:
"...We should remain humble about our ability to unravel the mysteries of EBO and MBG virus transmission. The reservoir may be a rare species or one that rarely contacts clinical hosts, or if contact is made, the virus may not be easily transmitted. Infection in the host species may itself be an unusual event. Biodiversity in the areas in which transmission occurs is high; the implicated species may represent a tiny fraction of the total biota, and it may be very difficult to capture. Vertebrate hosts involved in transmission may not mount a detectable or durable immune response, and positive serologic results may not reveal whether the immunized host is primary or incidental to the transmission cycle. Reagents are lacking for detection of antibodies in some species. As will be pointed out later, it is possible that the filoviruses represent a diverse complex of agents with different transmission cycles, as is the case for the lyssavirus and vesiculovirus genera, raising the difficulty of interpreting heterologous cross-reacting antibodies. Virulent strains of EBO and MBG virus may not persist in a local reservoir but rather cause wandering epizootics that return at long intervals to any one location. It is also possible that the virulent filovirus strains do not have sustained transmission cycles at all but arise from time to time by mutation from enzootic variants. ...A matter of practical importance is whether filoviruses are or are not biologically transmissible by arthropod vectors. This single issue determines whether ecologic studies should or should not include the laborious collection and testing of hematophagous vectors. Although considered unlikely, the possibility that some filoviruses are arthropodborne within their primary transmission cannot be entirely dismissed. There are examples of other viruses transmitted by arthropods that, like EBO and MBG viruses, spread between clinical hosts by contact or mechanical means (e.g., Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever, African swine fever, vesicular stomatitis viruses [VSVs]). It is possible that transmission to primate indicator hosts or to intermediate vertebrate hosts occurs by means other than blood-feeding (e.g., during oral ingestion of the arthropod as a source of food). ..."

Spain probably reacted to the Ebola and Dogs
study which you can access in full at the link or the abstract at Promed. Please note: asymptomatic is said to be not contagious.

We simply cannot kill every other life form because it/they may harbor antibodies and be asymptomatic. We'd be much better employed trying to determine how their systems manage to kill off the virus and they sure won't give us that info if they're dead. And according to what's being put out there, if an entity is asymptomatic it's not contagious.

There's an increasing body of research available on the topic on Google Scholar. It's worth looking at because another other possibility is that plants may be involved in the vectoring process. Now that's something to be scared about.

a reply to: k3d59



That is INDEED something to be scared about.

originally posted by: k3d59
a reply to: ValentineWiggin


We simply cannot kill every other life form because it/they may harbor antibodies and be asymptomatic. We'd be much better employed trying to determine how their systems manage to kill off the virus and they sure won't give us that info if they're dead. And according to what's being put out there, if an entity is asymptomatic it's not contagious.

There's an increasing body of research available on the topic on Google Scholar. It's worth looking at because another other possibility is that plants may be involved in the vectoring process. Now that's something to be scared about.

Nearly 200 million farmers in China, India, Vietnam, sub-Saharan Africa, and Latin America harvest grains and vegetables from fields that use untreated human waste. Ten percent of the world's population relies on such foods, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).Nearly 200 million farmers in China, India, Vietnam, sub-Saharan Africa, and Latin America harvest grains and vegetables from fields that use untreated human waste. Ten percent of the world's population relies on such foods, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

Human Waste Used by 200 Million Farmers

Yes, indeed....now THAT'S something to be scared about.

originally posted by: ValentineWiggin
a reply to: BlueAjah

I'm not sure how I feel about that dog situation. If there is such an easy test, then why did Spain go ahead and kill the dog? Did they test and find that the dog had it? Have they tested this dog?

Just add all that to a list of questions we will probably never get an answer to.

I'm cynical today :/

Yes, the dog would have been a great test subject to find out firstly if it was exposed and harboring virus, and from there if it got sick, gained immunity, or was a silent carrier. Could even have been a source of vaccination material; a big shame it wasn't saved, for everyone's sake. If the dog was not a hazard and the nurse survives, she'll be heartbroken unnecessarily. As this thing spreads, people are going to be asking if their pets and farm animals are safe to get near... it'd be nice to have some answers.

a reply to: queenofswords

You make a good point here. It would be "logical" to assume that those areas would have historically shown high levels of infection with diseases like Marburg, AIDS, Ebola, D68, PED, etc. But that isn't the case. What you're bringing up argues for a recent mutation/genetic modification, not the re-emergence of some antique virus or the development of technology allowing for identification. So if it's a modification, those lab logs are around somewhere, eh?

Since all the Black Ops Boys from different countries involved in bio research are friends (or at least on speaking terms )now, maybe they can start digging in those old lab logs....find how it was done and maybe it can be undone.

a reply to: ZIPMATT
Queen of Swords got me off into some pretty esoteric stuff that goes back to the bio warfare topic and digging around in that resulted in the following find on transdermal vectoring.

A Novel Immunohistochemical Assay for the Detection of Ebola Virus in Skin: Implications for Diagnosis, Spread, and Surveillance of Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever

"... IHC and electron microscopic examination showed that endothelial cells, mononuclear phagocytes, and hepatocytes are main targets of infection, and IHC showed an association of cellular damage with viral infection. The finding of abundant viral antigens and particles in the skin of EHF patients suggests an epidemiologic role for contact transmission..."

What is more worrisome is that the others had not cut themselves, yet the virus entered their bloodstreams. It got there somehow. Most likely it entered their blood thought contact with the lungs. It infected them through the air. When it became apparent to the Army researchers that three of the four men who became infected had not cut themselves, just about everyone at USAMRIID concluded that Ebola can spread through the air.

Dr. Philip Russell-the general who made the decision to send in the Army to stop the virus-recently said to me that although he had been "scared to death" about Ebola at the time, it wasn't until afterward, when he understood
that the virus was spreading in the air among the monkeys, that the true potential for
disaster sank in for him. "I was more frightened in retrospect," he said. "When I saw the
respiratory evidence coming from those monkeys, I said to myself, My God, with certain
kinds of small changes, this virus could become one that travels in rapid respiratory
transmission through humans. I'm talking about the Black Death. Imagine a virus with
the infectiousness of influenza and the mortality rate of black plague in the Middle
Ages-that's what we're talking about."

learn.flvs.net...

This just in from Doctor at Dallas Health Presbyterian ....Duncan's dialysis doctor and another nurse are running fever and are suspected for Ebola, tests are underway. Doctor tells me the CDC protocol is likely to blame. The protocol for removing infected gear for his 40 year career was to take off your garment first with gloves still on because the gloves are over the sleeve ends. When you pulled off the sleeves, the latex gloves would roll up a bit. Then you used two fingers under the glove roll and whipped off the contaminated glove. But after SARS, the WHO and CDC came up with the opposite....taker off you gloves first then remove the nasty garment without gloves....he calls this insanity and did not know the new protocol until today when he watched the CDC video at the hospital. It is likely that the dialysis team was all using the new CDC protocol. The incompetence of the Feds strikes again.

originally posted by: fwkitziger
This just in from Doctor at Dallas Health Presbyterian ....Duncan's dialysis doctor and another nurse are running fever and are suspected for Ebola, tests are underway. Doctor tells me the CDC protocol is likely to blame. The protocol for removing infected gear for his 40 year career was to take off your garment first with gloves still on because the gloves are over the sleeve ends. When you pulled off the sleeves, the latex gloves would roll up a bit. Then you used two fingers under the glove roll and whipped off the contaminated glove. But after SARS, the WHO and CDC came up with the opposite....taker off you gloves first then remove the nasty garment without gloves....he calls this insanity and did not know the new protocol until today when he watched the CDC video at the hospital. It is likely that the dialysis team was all using the new CDC protocol. The incompetence of the Feds strikes again.

Great information, where/how are you hearing this?

I do believe I recall in reading the Sierra Leone procedures that they leave the gloves on til the vey end over there.

a reply to: JG1993
By telephone from my close friend, the Doctor, about an hour ago. He's at the hospital.

The fact that this nurse got Ebola, in our Hospital here in the USA, following procedure etc. Shows some serious flaws in our health care protocol, even if the nurse made a mistake their should have either been a good enough protocol that could have forgave it, or have at least a contingency for that mistake made..

Yet now the media, and the Government, is literally making a mockery of this potential medical fatal illness.

It's just one thing after another here.. Our Leaders in so many ways do not belong where they are leading the people of this Country.. Are the people who are truly qualified for their positions in them? Or are the ones with the money and average if that i.q in those positions?

It is not rocket science the borders need to be closed, and that is funny as well because we cannot really close our borders because the well Mexican, border.. I suppose a army or two could do it, if we had too, but god forbid create panic, so I know that is not going to happen..

This World, is a wreck.. ISIS, racial unrest, a economic system in decay, un-natural weather, a breakdown in social welfare, lack of religious principals and morals.. I will not go on.. Mankind is truly screwed up as a whole, a good way to see the psyche of mankind, is to just read the threads,forums the minds of men on the internet..

I do not really believe mankind has what it takes in the long run to save himself... I see no intelligence anywhere as a whole in anything he is doing right now.. I just see greed and responding to stimuli like a primitive life form...

originally posted by: fwkitziger
a reply to: JG1993
By telephone from my close friend, the Doctor, about an hour ago. He's at the hospital.

I hope you're wrong. This city is going to completely freak.

a reply to: fwkitziger
That's insane i remember gloves being the last piece of equipment taken off after a chemical decon in NBC training. I've heard the arguments about why double gloving may cause some problems but a rubber glove over a latex glove just seems smart when you're dealing with something as dangerous as ebola.

a reply to: fwkitziger
they do not wash their hands off why?

a reply to: Mikeultra

But on the past research when they said "spread through the air", I thought they were implying through aerosol, For example a sneeze in which the particles from the sneeze are projectiles that are far reaching and can travel a good distance through air. Also they could get caught up into the air ducts systems too.

A sneeze has bodily fluid in it. So if we still have to be hit by the flying sneeze fluid projectile to catch it... then it is still a bodily fluid touching us, correct ? Am I being to logistically analytic-all ?

Take a look at this study regarding the gas cloud from a sneeze.

Coughs and Sneezes from traveling disease clouds

leolady