"The World Is Warming Faster Than We Thought"

This just popped up on one of my daily news sources. I hope this is incorrect, however, I fear that it could very well be accurate.

It's worse than we thought. Scientists may have hugely underestimated the extent of global warming because temperature readings from southern hemisphere seas were inaccurate.

Comparisons of direct measurements with satellite data and climate models suggest that the oceans of the southern hemisphere have been sucking up more than twice as much of the heat trapped by our excess greenhouse gases than previously calculated. This means we may have underestimated the extent to which our world has been warming.

Paul Durack from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California in the US and colleagues have compared direct and inferred sea temperature measurements with the results of climate models. While these three types of measurements together suggest that our estimates of northern hemisphere ocean warming are about right, a different story emerged for down south.

The team estimate that the extent of warming in the southern hemisphere oceans since 1970 could be more than twice what has been inferred from the limited direct measurements we have for this region. This means that together, all the world's oceans are absorbing between 24 and 58 per cent more energy than has previously been estimated by direct in-situ measurements.

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Consider this - if you do not believe in global warming, or perhaps do not agree as to what may be causing it - if this find of miscalculation is correct, and we have confirmed sources that the planet is warming (regardless of what is causing it) and in fact 24%-58% more than what we initially thought, this could be have horrible implications.

They'll say damn near anything to keep the dream alive ... and I'll keep calling BS.

Not one word on how they did their monitoring. And leave to those Henny Pennies to say they've found 'evidence' where no one else is looking.

Pffffftttt

So that's why in Chicago to-day the cold sets a new record? and its snowing? (although this report is in the news blog 'Rantburg'

a reply to: Ghost147

We need a big Casino of Science, where people bet on worldly events, and an impartial observer uses precise measurements to see who the winner is.

That's the problem with this article. It should make predictions, but there are none. The oceans are warming in the southern hemi-sphere, so how much of a decrease of antarctic sea ice should we expect to see in satellite photos? Place your bets!
I'm so sick of the back and forth on this, without substance. Science should make predictions, and we should all be able to see whether they're right or wrong.

edit: And every one without actual money on the table in the science casino, predicting future events, should be ignored.

a reply to: Ghost147

because temperature readings from southern hemisphere seas were inaccurate.

This is the type of information that makes it hard to believe anything that is being said about 'climate change'.

We're constantly hearing about cars, cars, cars- but they never mention the fact that buses, airplanes and semis put out more pollution in one day than cars do in an entire year.

Ya this is a touchy subject here, I'm on the fence with this issue.

I think that the climate is changing but that it is natural.
Earth goes into ice ages and then it comes out of them. Probably a much to simplistic look at it, but that is where I am at.
Mother nature rules this rock, what ever she wants to do, she does it. Use puny humans ain't stopping anything.

Cooler North waters than South waters.....their conclusion is the Southern waters gained heat to account for the discrepancy between the two hemispheres when in fact the North waters got all the melted ice sheet waters to cool them down while the Antarctic ice is growing.

They will distort anything to keep the lie alive.

originally posted by: pikestaff
So that's why in Chicago to-day the cold sets a new record? and its snowing? (although this report is in the news blog 'Rantburg'

I didn't know Chicago was in the southern hemisphere. WOW you learn something new everyday.

a reply to: Snarl

Not one word on how they did their monitoring.

Or you didn't read the article.

Paul Durack from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California in the US and colleagues have compared direct and inferred sea temperature measurements with the results of climate models. While these three types of measurements together suggest that our estimates of northern hemisphere ocean warming are about right, a different story emerged for down south.

Cai says that, during that time, while the northern hemisphere has been well sampled by cargo ships and projects led by wealthy countries north of the equator, very few direct measurements have been taken in the south. So it's not surprising that the in-situ measurements have been wrong.

Since around 2000, a network of buoys called the Argo floats have been collecting more accurate global ocean data, so more recent measurements of the southern hemisphere are more reliable.

Yes there is global warming and it's obvious. No point in denying it.

originally posted by: Mianeye
a reply to: Snarl

Not one word on how they did their monitoring.

Or you didn't read the article.

Paul Durack from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California in the US and colleagues have compared direct and inferred sea temperature measurements with the results of climate models. While these three types of measurements together suggest that our estimates of northern hemisphere ocean warming are about right, a different story emerged for down south.

Cai says that, during that time, while the northern hemisphere has been well sampled by cargo ships and projects led by wealthy countries north of the equator, very few direct measurements have been taken in the south. So it's not surprising that the in-situ measurements have been wrong.

I'm not 'one of those' who simply spout off just for the heck of it. Would you kindly point out how those measurements were derived? Im looking for hard scientific consistency ... and that is sorely lacking.

Two can play at that. Make sure you note how frequently the Argo monitors have had their share of problems. There's even a warning posted on their monitoring site about the consistency of data.

My Mum gave me the answer to global warming years ago. Accidentally of course.

All people of the world have to do is open their fridge doors at the same time for a few minutes.

Remember the " what are you trying to do, cool down the whole planet ? " ......... "


Why yes MUM. Yes I am."

a reply to: pikestaff

Climate is not weather. Are you aware of the difference between the two? If you are explain it. If not, you can't understand the issue enough to comment credibly.

a reply to: Snarl

Would you kindly point out how those measurements were derived?

That is not my job, it's your job, and you can use the article for search word, or use NASA and NOAA for the data(To mention a few), don't be lazy and expect me to find it for you.

Im looking for hard scientific consistency

Ok, then show us what you find if you are looking.

a reply to: Ghost147

This means that together, all the world's oceans are absorbing between 24 and 58 per cent more energy than has previously been estimated by direct in-situ measurements.

So, you're telling me in not so many words...that previous model/estimates were wrong ????

I'm almost shocked...here I thought that "science" guys can't get it wrong.

"may have"

"suggest"

"may have"

"suggest"

"estimate"

"could be"

"limited direct measurements"

"than has previously been estimated"

"that southern-hemisphere estimates of ocean warming are likely biased low"

"Our study is the first to attempt to quantify the magnitude of what this generally acknowledged underestimate is"

"very few direct measurements have been taken in the south"

"One could say that global warming is ocean warming,"

"so more recent measurements of the southern hemisphere are more reliable"...so old ones weren't, and you now have only from a short period.

I`m convinced now, this was one hell of piece with undeniable proof/end sarc

a reply to: Mianeye

Tell you what ... I'll start looking when I take note of some change right in front of my nose. Something like it seemed like last Winter was pretty damned cold and this Summer I wasn't roasting.

Funny how TPTB and their carbon tax jibed so well with what tax-payer funded science espoused.

You can call me a skeptic if you like, but please don't call me uninformed or lazy. That's truly poor form and you might consider an apology. Have I attacked your character?

Don't know about the world getting warmer but it seems to be getting dryer. We have only had half the rainfall that we normally get this year. In July last year it virtually stopped raining and has not rained properly since. The global warming people said that there would be more rain in this area due to more water vapour in the air or something so their forecasting is off. They also said that sea levels would rise by one metre by now so that is a joke. There is something going on with the weather but no one is telling the truth as to what is causing this. One thing I have noticed is that the air pressure seems to be higher on average and you need low pressure to rain. Any thoughts?

a reply to: Snarl

Well, it is changing where i live, al sea ice has vanished in 20 years, from completely frozen seas to absolutely no sea ice anymore, we have no winter anymore, we just have rain and even more rain. Summers have been rain and more rain.

I apologize for trying to provoke you into finding the data yourself.

BTW, i am a skeptic myself, but that scepticisme is towards both sides, but part of that scepticisme is going away because i clearly see climate change in my area as i mentioned above, and when looking at the big picture it's obvius climate change is happening, and the difference is the speed it's happening at.

a reply to: grumpy64

Climate has always been changing everywhere, but they try to sell it as man made now. They just pray on people thinking that those changes are caused by humans.