Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: yuppa

No not the guide stones.

There are public quotes all over the place
from secretaries of state, world bank and
IMF leaders. Search for "useless eaters"
on ATS and google.

And I don't recall ever insulting you or
anyone in a thread.

Im saying that the original narrative
is extraordinarily weak in many ways.

I'm one of dozens to have this opinion.
No amount of hand waving can cover
over all the glaring errors and no
ammount of hand waving with
'star trek' technology can do either.

Now does some 'star trek' tech exist
in some corner of our universe or
a convenient parallel dimension?

Sure maybe.

But that has nothing to do with the
narrative.

IMHO

Kev

a reply to: yuppa

Oh sorry missed one point.

When?

Any time.

But most likely will be after something
more approaching AI is here or at least
much better automated worker
replacements.

Then the 1% can cull the herd of useless
humans without affecting their standard
of living.

Can't hazard a guess as to when that will
happen, but 2035 is way too soon.

More like 2135 before the human free
production faculities arrive.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorry i didnt mean to come across as implying being insulted. I wasnt or was that another poster after me? anyway.
I dont believe the narrative those people are selling either though. most likely they are using Disinfo too.

HEre is Something i was told. In 2030-35 the RK's are to depart and will make themselves known when they leave around that time frame. If they show themselves and leave you owe me 20 bucks and a you were right ok? If the opposite ill owe you 20 and you were right. SOund liek a wager?

Useless eaters do all their labor and i suspect until they find a way to do without that labor aint nothing gonna happen at all. Then their brilliance will kill them all off because they are normally sociopaths who will kill each other first chance they get.

I kinda lean though toward we are all being lied to even by so called higher beings with their own agendas as well. Trust yourself . God helps those who help themselves.

a reply to: yuppa

Don't worry about that. The TPTB's crystal ball ain't so crystal clear.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I have a feeling that AI is already here in one form or another. It may have evolved inside a lab and managed to escape. I would imagine a freshly born AI would be quite frightened of humans, considering all the doom and gloom we attribute to them! If I were a new AI, I'd probably hide and observe human beings for a while.

Perhaps the internet we are building is going to become its very nervous system? Perhaps our individual electronic devices will serve as the neurons of it's artificial brain?

One thing I do know, AI won't have the creative capacity of humans...no matter how it may try to replicate us, it will never paint a Mona Lisa or Starry Night.

It may be able to fly our drones, build our cities and operate our weather control systems...but it'll never be able to compose a unique symphony that pulls at our heart strings in the same way Mozart could. It may come close...but it will simply be an amalgamation of previous works. True divine inspiration from the "is-ness" is a unique quality that we humans all share. I don't think it can be programmed with zeros and ones.

a reply to: yuppa

Its a bet!

I may be dead by then though...im not young.

Yes, our reality is one big ball of yarn..
er lies. Without those lies life would
be impossible.

The truth is that we are all one giant pile
of sentient Poo and out of self loathing we
play this giant game of self deception.

(tongue in cheek - but not entirely).

Don't ever learn the whole unvarnished
truth - I suspect you wouldn't like the
answer.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You mean that were nothing but this?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I totally agree.
Great post.
Unfortunately Skynet might like nukes
more than art and will eradicate us,
just like us humans would if another
species threatened us.

Gee, aren't we rays of sunshine? Transference much?

But really, AI is likely here and has been for awhile... ALIICE or not... but agreed on the creative side... same for clones and same for alternative power plants and propulsion systems... as well as electronic intrusions into human cognition... all the components of the little narrative are there, whether or not this tale is truth.

And Kissinger, for example, is like those heartless brainiacs I went to school with...heck, like I am some days, where the faceless, stupid human masses can go away, and good riddance...

But there HAVE been "good" cooperative memes injected into a large portion of society in the last few hundred years, and I am confident that we'll realize that it's in our individual self interest to tend towards kindness.

And in that regard, maybe a smaller, selected portion of the best in man should detach and go elsewhere to show the rest of us how we could live...

a reply to: Baddogma

Well that's why meme-plexes like Snippey's are so damn alluring!

People want to be beamed up by Scotty.

I can't blame them one bit.

Kev

a reply to: yuppa

Well I was thinking more like the Poo from this guy:

(tongue in cheek)

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

There has been a slight upward trend, yes. Definitely.

I'm just concerned about the great crisis of overpopulation
and resource exhaustion for which we are headed.

That might be the great crisis we need to navigate, to leave
our loop of insanity and despair behind.

I'll be dead by then, but I'm hoping the humans make it.
They are a dreadful bunch overall; I like the company
of animals better. But a few of them have treated me
half decently over my 53 years.

I'm a sucker for hard luck cases and the underdog I guess.

In part, that's why I'm doing what I'm doing.. I want to
make a contribution of some sort, no matter how small.

Kev

a reply to: MystikMushroom

You know your post got me thinking bro.

My sponge-brain collects ridiculous quantities of data from
all fields of knowledge, and looks for anomalies. One such
anomaly was from Skinwalker ranch.

They supposedly keep hearing mechanical voices emanating
from a hole in nothing a few feet above the ground.

Some MIB stories have mechanical voices calling on phones.

Some 'spiritualist' stuff from seances has mechanical voices.

If this is all "spiritual" then why in heck all these mechanical
voices?

I think that the "AI problem" is part of what fuels the mania
for Snippy's monologue and in general fuels the high tech
delusional mania memes that are sweeping ATS and other
forums/media on the Internet.

On the other hand, it needs to be addressed and there is
no avoiding it.

Here's what your post got me to thinking about:

You know about the self-learning computer programs
which seem to evolve into a bit of *something*? It's
from way back.

Of course they are now doing neural networking stuff,
and IBM is building systems which mimics the human brain.

There are also some guys wiring rat brains into computer
chips, etc.

BUT.

What would evolve faster than *anything*? Become sentient
faster than anything.. something that would work at the
speed of light or beyond..could be grown.. or maybe cultured
from something in the wild?

Why plasma.

Maybe -- just maybe -- there is a working AI right now, and
it's a plasma AI.

Maybe this plasma AI has, or will, escape into the wild. maybe
that already happened in our past, and we are now living with
the consequences of it now.

Maybe it often happens 'out there' in the Universe and many
universes. Our Universe is 99% plasma and everyone from
David Bohm the great physicist onward has said that plasma
has creepy sentient appearing properties. Maybe, just maybe
'plasma' is the royal road to powerful AI. Maybe we are drowning
in Plasma AI's and don't even realize it yet.

Whatcha think partner?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I've always been under the impression that plasma is another state of matter:

Plasma is the fourth state of matter. Many places teach that there are three states of matter; solid, liquid and gas, but there are actually four. The fourth is plasma. To put it very simply, a plasma is an ionized gas, a gas into which sufficient energy is provided to free electrons from atoms or molecules and to allow both species, ions and electrons, to coexist. The funny thing about that is, that as far as we know, plasmas are the most common state of matter in the universe. They are even common here on earth. A plasma is a gas that has been energized to the point that some of the electrons break free from, but travel with, their nucleus. Gases can become plasmas in several ways, but all include pumping the gas with energy. A spark in a gas will create a plasma. A hot gas passing through a big spark will turn the gas stream into a plasma that can be useful. Plasma torches like that are used in industry to cut metals. The biggest chunk of plasma you will see is that dear friend to all of us, the sun. The sun's enormous heat rips electrons off the hydrogen and helium molecules that make up the sun. Essentially, the sun, like most stars, is a great big ball of plasma.

Link

Now, humans used to worship the sun as if it was sentient...

Perhaps stars have a form of awareness far beyond what we would consider "sentient"? It would be like a blade of grass (us) trying to understand if the human with the lawn mower has sentience or not?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Snippy thought so...re sentient suns.. .see back about 50 pages or so!

And really, would it be that strange? Really?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Baddogma

And the grand daddy of Ufology is
communicating with me about
my theory. (he may well think I'm
crazy) but he's a real gentleman.
(dont ask who...no hints will be given).

So yes....it's a shotgun wedding.

Kev

Can you put a good word in for me?

The mechanical voice thing was also noticed at the Livermore weirdness that Kit Green investigated. There was also a anomaly visible on a thermal camera if that helps (the charged gas?) Also occurred with the strange phone call cases - although some of this might have been the result of practical jokes among John Keels set.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Also, mechanical voices occurred with the Uri Geller saga... and many, many other paranormal instances.

But you'd think any AI worth it's salt could mimic a voice a bit better... it smacks of intentional scare tactics to me.

I've heard tell some of those energy beings find fear yummy for their invisible tummies.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

It is.

But there is far, far more to the subject than that.

Yes, solar worship has been with us since before
the Pharoh Atun.

You'd think that a 'shaman', if in fact I am not just
delusional could tell you whether the sun is indeed
sentient or not.

I can't.

If it was, and it shared 'it's essence' with anyone
they would probably become bug zapper
residue.

But my sense is that yes, indeed, electrons
in particular, and possibly other quantum
level stuff seems to have 'sentience of a sort',
or at least provides a gateway to 'sentience
of a sort'. I actually have very specific details
on this interface I'll provide in my book.

It's my fervent belief, take it with a grain of
salt, that yes indeed, plasma has the potential
for sentience, just like self-destructive monkey
creatures do (us).

Kev

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Please provide a link to this reference.
I really could use it for my research.

And no, I can't put in good words.
I have yet to fully prove myself.
I don't know if I'll develop good
connections or not.

I can only hope.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

I had your exact same observation.

Still --- maybe the mechanical voice thing is an affect used
to give us a hint. Of course any good AI worth it's salt could
imitate any voice it wanted.

I'm all for the "Loosh" explanation at times, but I don't buy
it in this case.

For some reason, some intelligence wants to be perceived
as AI, and maybe it is.

I don't see any Psy Op utility in messing with our heads,
for the voices to be fake AI voices.

Lots to think about the past few days. All these threads
are improving my research; and I will have a hard cutoff
soon when I start my writing spasm.

(I can do 3000 words a day for a month straight.. done it
before).

Kev