America is OBSESSED with race! Why?

a reply to: interupt42

No, I haven't. Lots of Martians?

After that little kerfuffle, I suppose I have to be tediously explicit. Yes, I believe that America has an obsession — I might have chosen a slightly less negative word if I was the OP — with race. I am sympathetic to this, because it is (a) painful and (b) right and proper to be concerned with something that is so evidently a problem. One day things will be better, we may hope, and then Americans can cease to have racial issues and concerns constantly thrust upon their attention by circumstances. Until then, the obsession will continue. It is a necessary part of the process of change: something that must be lived through.

a reply to: marbles87

Yeah....cause all other nations are entirely race blind. Seriously? lol

It goes back to the whole tribal thing. Man has an instinctual nature when meeting new people to judge them "friend or foe".

There is a huge amount of psychological study on the subject.

It's not an American thing...it's a human thing. American's hardly invented slavery. There is not a single civilization that lasted for any period of time that does not have slavery of some form or other in it's past.

I get sick of race. I hate that everything here has race attached to it. I have a story here.

A survey was sent to all employees of the company I work for. A general survey of race, gender, age, and so forth. Now there was an option on the survey "I choose not to self identify". I usually check this option when I come across it. I don't wish my ideological leanings to be categorized by my race or gender or anything else. Statistics are crap. More often than not they are used to push things on demographics rather than reflect what the demographic actually represents.

On with the story, some time later, my immediate supervisor was sent a message by the higher ups to observe and report on my race and gender. He shared this information with me. There were four of us at my location that chose not to self identify. It was a real eye opener as far as "the illusion of choice" is concerned.

But statistics cannot be manufactured when oddballs go against the grain.

Boba

a reply to: Astyanax

Out of curiousity do you think racism is a huge or negligible problem in this country? If so, how do you think it impacts the daily minority in this country?

a reply to: interupt42

It is a negligible problem. Minorities demand to not be judged by their skin color. In turn, every time they are questioned or an issue arises, they cannot assume it is because of race. It is simple logic. Minorities assume they know a White Persons mentality based on pre conceived stereotypes. This is no different than what they say White people are doing in the first place! The first thing most minorities might think about me is that I'm a gun toting, bible bashing, lifted truck driving Christian conservative, when the truth is I'm just a gun toting, middle of the road, driving a gas saving car because I don't want to pay a hundred bucks to fill up atheist.

a reply to: interupt42

Racism is universal. I'd say that, on average, Americans are no more racist than other nationalities. But American racists are often more dangerous because so many of them are armed.

The problem in America is not individual acts of hostility between members of one race and another (not to say that they don't occur quite often), but in longstanding, glaring inequalities of opportunity and outcome among the blacks and whites.

This is the legacy, as I proposed in my first post on the thread, of slavery. The damage done by this hellish, vile institution, commencing with the Civil War and continuing ever since, has not yet been fully undone. Indeed, it continues.

By the way, the damage done by slavery is in no way limited to African-Americans. White people have also been hurt by it; and racism damages and brutalizes all whom it touches, perpetrators and victims alike.

Great as America undoubtedly is, imagine how much greater it would have been if the capabilities of black people had been better encouraged and utilized! One day, perhaps, that will happen, and the obsession with race will vanish. Then America would be truly free, the City on the Hill some of its citizens fondly believe it already is.

a reply to: Astyanax

Like I keep metioning slavery didn't make America a race baiting country. It's the citizens desire to seperate each other into groups. However laws in America are supposed to effect citizens equally regardless of race, gender, religion and for few cases they do a good job. Now given that we mostly can agree we are all equal how come we have groups who are openly race orientated. Such as the black caucus, all black schools and neighborhood. Same for Latinos, Asians, Arabs, the list goes on. How come we allow this? If the goal is universal equality how can the groups who pitch these ideas be segregated. It's an oximoron.

"United Americas for justice" or whatever group you wish. Here for all Americans unless you are blah race, blah race, blah race. together for all Americans unless you're like us.

Boggles my head. Like one of the guys above. on all government forms you should be allowed to exclude naming your race or gender, religion for general identification but instead one of the first questions asked.

Is there anyone who deals with things like this first hand. Like in schools. In a country based on equality the first thing we do is seperate ourselves into classes for no reason.

originally posted by: James1982

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: James1982

This country was founded by colonists that were seeking independence from the British.

No it wasn't.

The U.S. was founded by business men who could see the potential of colonizing the " New World"

You are getting mixed up with The Pilgrims who came to The New World many years after colonies where established.

"This country" didn't exist until the declaration if independence. Before that it was just colonies. So, at the time of this country's founding, it was colonists declaring independence from Britain.

The " Foundation " that The U.S. stood on was the 13 British Colonies.

No colonies, no U.S.

a reply to: marbles87

Like I keep metioning slavery didn't make America a race baiting country.

I don't know what a 'race-baiting country' is, but it isn't what this discussion is about. We are discussing an 'obsession' (I would have used the word 'preoccupation' myself) with racism. A person who hates racism is just as preoccupied with it as a racist is.

Laws in America are supposed to effect citizens equally regardless of race, gender, religion and for few cases they do a good job. Now given that we mostly can agree we are all equal how come we have groups who are openly race orientated.

Everybody is equal? Certainly not.

The laws apply to everybody, but the prison population of America is largely black. How come?

Opportunity is supposed to be equal for all, but whites, as a group, are far better off than blacks. How come?

Are black people simply inferior to whites? Or is American society set up to benefit white people more than black people?

Which do you think it is?

On all government forms you should be allowed to exclude naming your race or gender, religion for general identification but instead one of the first questions asked.

More evidence of America's 'obsession' with race.

a reply to: Astyanax

No offense, but who are you to decide whether his post was off topic? I find it very much on topic. The title is Why is America obsessed with race? Therefore, anything regarding racial perceptions in America is fair game.

I will respond to your post in more depth when I have more time.

3 things come to mind:

1. The current tensions and violence from extremely High Risk dark age mentality groups is going to make the race issue, or Cultural issue even (because its not race as much as culture for some, mindsets are very dangerous, race is far less so) get a back burner. While this is going on, we're not going unify. And floods of high risk people into a more advanced equal and free nation is very alarming. And rightly so.

2. Long term, the actual only way to end future generations of badly programmed people into fascism and theocracy and even IMO into right wing extremism that would set up dog eat dog class systems, would be to work for a system of abundance with clean technology, progression, land and homes and aquaponics for every single person not tied into income working for someone else' project, business or dream, and not taxed, or able to be taken from them in courts even if they, heaven forbid, become criminals in any way.

A eutopia. Venus Project, Councils of citizens, powers to fire instantly with majority vote anyone we elect to manage anything on any level.

Unless you're working for a good world where everyone is Equal and Free, and not subject to petty laws over what they can grow on their property, and half the so called laws, really illegal null and void things that don't exist because they violate common law and constitutional laws, all pass away, we will never start to have a decent world.

There should be no slums at all anywhere, no forcing anyone to work, but encouragement and retraining using the hidden clean technologies so most healthy people minus their children's youth years, would gladly grow higher mind skills of counseling, teaching, invention, design, or contribute to hospitals and cooking and caring for those sick or in need or offer hotels and transportation services, part time, to give back to society, and retrain after a few years to other interests.

We have robotics really lifted off, and if there was no money, whatever could be dreamed could be done.

We should already be in the jetson era here.

Get rid of this slave system and work towards a really good one where human rights, freedoms are not wed into equality and redistribution issues. We get both not a choice.

3. However, all of that being said, divide and conquer stuff. There can't be unity between people when the top elite have got everyone locked into primitive dark age religious beliefs.

You cannot take a progressed, open minded professor from one country and blend them in a big mixer with a pro isis pro suppression of women and children and dismembering people for disagreeing with your values, and then turn out a unified human being.

This planet isn't about unity that way. It's a giant sting operation to see what you're made of.

So its more culture than race. They've done genetic studies and I've read the outcome, and the different IQ levels or even what one could say is reactive levels, of various "races" and while its not complete hogwosh, its is in a way. If there is overall these differences, lets say, you have a big family, a couple ex husbands, 7 kids, and lots of caring, helpful relatives, a big eco farm, a system of abundance flowing in, so you aren't in a tight spot, not in a getto, but you have mixed race children, some white, some black, some native. Well, they may have different genetics, they may have their own strenghts and weaknesses. Now most people are individuals, however for the sake of this argument, lets pretend they fall into that so called normative curve that matches what the scientists say in some of the studies. Who cares, if the environment is positive and loving and fosters development of skills , in addition to some cooperation, all of those kids will be happy.

So race is far less relevant than the massive programming that is put into people.

However that programming is very very dangerous and weaponized and rapes and murders and divides people far too well.

And unless people are working for a whole changed system there is not alot we can do about it because you can't take a progressed advanced thinker from A, and mix them up or blend them in with a highly programmed, religious fanatic, controlling by murder group person from B. Those cultures DO NOT MIX.

You can't compromise with evil.

You can't harm or dominate or enforce domination or force thoughts ideologies and religions on anyone.

That is the problem.

Even with an advanced Venus System, which to me is the only legal system there is as it doesnt make slaves of people, money does. You can't run any system on earth legally. It violates common law, and the thou shalt not harm others, litany of common law. Slavery and enforced debt and huge morgages or rent is major violation of human rights, major slavery.

However, the problem is, Venus System run by the most fair, equal, idealistic citizens who uphold Mother's energy and Father, so would ensure all lived on beautiful properties, lake fronts and common landscape areas were not rich resorts, but beaches and access for all, and would really value individual freedoms and sovereignity at the same time, well, our Elite wouldn't set it up like that. They would turn a potential paradise into a hellzone of scarsity and loss of rights, to have that kind of world.

And the other problem is, councils of citizens would need to be deprogrammed and highly educated in pyschology, sociology and issues, so that they wouldn't be red necked in their opinions, nor punitive.

Or we'd still be in hell.

I don't think this issue of division is going to go away anytime soon. Unless people step up to the plate in their communities and start to act like the first level of government and solve problems in UNISON, all races, caring for a world that is far different than they've been programmed to accept, eco farms and yurts and earthship homes for homeless, violate and end patents and create own energy.

I don't mean from the top down, I mean from the bottom up. People working to equalize, and give voices to the poor and helping them first. Putting them first.

If you put people in little ghetto's or high rent situations with nothing but black market and crimes, and stress them out, you bring out the worse in people.

You work in communities to be open minded, helpful, not judgmental but empowering others, to uplift and provide beauty and safe surroundings and good nutrition they like and skill development, art, music, meditation, helping those in need, volunteering a bit even, learning trades, teens fixing roofs, making tiles, energy devices, tesla coils even, you have a group that can keep houses in repair and cut energy down by 200 a month for everyone.

Everyone should be a big family. You become wayshowers not forcers and when people are in good positive progressive environments with beauty and can train or make choices in anything positive, you bring out the best in people.

Its not about race its about how the world is run. And all the ISM, which include repressive dark age religious concepts, not the Love that is found in spiritual writings, but it shouldn't be entrenched in religious boxes.

a reply to: bbracken677

Thank you. More evidence of the obsession, right there. Why else would someone think a historical accident, easily explained, is still relevant 150 years later?

The real and true reason the liberal media and the left wing elite socio-communist-Marxists-Who look up to Chairman Mao, make race an issue is to rile the Black voter base to give the impression that the aforementioned liberal media are in full support and want to help the oppressed Black race just so they can GET MORE VOTES!

It is the very same play they are using with the south of the border folks, and it doesn't matter what happens to these people, because the liberals will do anything to retain power, or progress their agendas, even murder. There is no other alternative or they will lose that grip and they so desperately need it. They lie cheat and steal from the very mouths they are claiming to support.

These people support no one, and will even eat their own, when those young dispensable screw up and are exposed publically.

What they say behind closed doors where you are likely to find Harry Reed and Obama is: "Don't Get Caught"

In fact, If you want to know the answer to why bad things in America are happening, the reason is that there are organized evil deeds being done to others for political gain, and those suffering the worst are those the liberals claim to support. The Republican base is just as corrupt but ineffective in doing the same thing unless in secret alignment with the liberal power structure, and it is definitely a hierarchy of elites with big bucks and no moral call to do anything good.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

The real and true reason the liberal media and the left wing elite socio-communist-Marxists-Who look up to Chairman Mao, make race an issue is to rile the Black voter base to give the impression that the aforementioned liberal media are in full support and want to help the oppressed Black race just so they can GET MORE VOTES!

Listen to your self Chair Mao?? are freaking serious?? not even in China is Mao a god,they are more capitalistic than us matter of fact they are beating us at the capitalism game despite what they call their ruling body, did you not see this report.
The tech IPO that has dwarfed Twitter and Facebook: Chinese online retailer Alibaba joins Mark Zuckerberg in the $200bn club after floating biggest IPO in US history and earning $22bn in just one day on Wall Street

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Race is an issue despite media Lib or con. and the obsession became more glaring because of Obama's presidency,many ratchet up their base with code words like we lost "our country" this against the fact of all the groups that openly benefited from Obama's presidency Black folks benefited the least,then these types go on seeking victim hood by making false equivalencies about being oppressed from everything from gay rights,to Ebola infected Guatemalan Islamic Isis terror kids who liked nothing better than camping out on your lawn.

Look to your own tea party types who is out making voter restrictive laws to suppress votes that's real..

a reply to: Spider879

Hey everything I just said comes straight from their own people, so what do I care? I don't need to cross check if their love for chairman Mao matches their current party's doctrine or not.
All of the people in the liberal left's top are all of those different things and 99% of them all admitted these affiliations long ago, and some also discovered linked to communist organizations.

So when you reply and attempt to show me that the statements I made conflict with the textbook account of those beliefs, go tell it to Harry Reid, Or Obama's Mama, or one of his appointee's, but don't come to me and complain since this isn't about me.
But you sure wanted to make it that way. These people would chew you down and spit you into the street quicker than goose snot, and yet here you are whining and squirming over them like they love you or something..\

What is that called? Co-dependent syndrome? A beaten wife who keeps defending her obscenely abusive husband? Yeah, you're doing it just like that.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Spider879

Hey everything I just said comes straight from their own people, so what do I care? I don't need to cross check if their love for chairman Mao matches their current party's doctrine or not.
All of the people in the liberal left's top are all of those different things and 99% of them all admitted these affiliations long ago, and some also discovered linked to communist organizations.

So when you reply and attempt to show me that the statements I made conflict with the textbook account of those beliefs, go tell it to Harry Reid, Or Obama's Mama, or one of his appointee's, but don't come to me and complain since this isn't about me.
But you sure wanted to make it that way. These people would chew you down and spit you into the street quicker than goose snot, and yet here you are whining and squirming over them like they love you or something..\

What is that called? Co-dependent syndrome? A beaten wife who keeps defending her obscenely abusive husband? Yeah, you're doing it just like that.

What ??.. exactly who are the Commies with a love for Mau you are alluding to appointed by Obama,there is no commie conspiracy but I can show you right wing nut jobs who want to roll back the clock to some fantasy 1950ts leave it to beaver era when blacks knew their place,women in the kitchen is your only option in life and Gays pretending not to so as to not get beat down or committed.

As long as there are people who make a living off of racial tension there will be race issues in this country. You cant discuss race in the US without discussing slavery. The two are bound together into one nightmare topic. The truth is that slavery existed every in the world at one time or another. And in some places it still does. The problem is that only in the US is it still an issue with people who were never slaves waiting for reparations from people who never owned slaves. History has been rewritten so many times now if you tell the truth people think you are a lunatic. The general demeanor seems to be that only white people are capable of hate crimes and racism. This is of course complete nonsense, but it feeds the frenzy over what should be civil matters facing the general public instead of racial matters. If a white person kills a black person it is a hate crime. If a gang of black youths attacks a white person its because there are no jobs in their neighborhood and white people live in luxury while black people live in poverty.

I am tired of the "no jobs in our neighborhood" excuse. Have you ever heard of rush hour traffic? Do you know what rush hour traffic is? Rush hour traffic is millions of people who do not have jobs in their neighborhoods. The difference between them and the whiners? They got off their butts and go where the jobs are. I used to have a 1 1/2 hour commute into another state because that's where my job was. I didn't like it, but I did it anyway because I wanted to earn an honest living.

People need to stop looking for excuses and take some responsibility in their lives. Make something of themselves. At least make the effort. Maybe you wont succeed. Nothing is guaranteed. But you will be able to hold your head high and know that you tried. Self respect. It is worth something.

The reason why America is obsessed with race is simple. Because there is money to be made off it like everything else. Look at all the government and private sponsored groups on both the left and right side based on solving the race problems in this country. When you can make money off a "problem" then that problem will never go away.