Hypnotism and Islamic Suicide Bombers

What if the story of fanatical Muslims is a lie? What if the story of their enchantment with 70 virgins is a fairy tale told to us to make us accept this lie as plausible? How little must we think of these people to assume they'd actually willingly murder dozens of people over the promise of sexual favors in heaven?

What if you captured a victim and tortured him? What if you put him into a state of hypnotic trance and convinced him in that state that he had to carry a briefcase to a location to meet someone to deliver a package? What if you convinced him not to see what he carried as a bomb, but to see it as ransom money or something else that he must hide from authorities? What if when he went to that place, he blew up, destroying the evidence of himself (the hypnotism) along with the scene itself?

Why would you use one of your best and most reliable foot soldiers in a suicide bombing? Wouldn't you deliver a trojan horse by another means? Why is it so important that the carrier be destroyed in the onslaught? Why couldn't he escape to bomb again? Why couldn't he remote detonate? If he was so devoted to your cause to willingly carry out these murders, wouldn't you want him to do it again? Are you so arrogant as to assume that you can find another willing victim to rise up to take his place?

The only general who sends his best lieutenants to kill themselves is either a leader who seeks to wipe his own army out of existence or one who knows beyond a doubt that he can reliably produce willing cannon fodder as often as he likes.

Hypnotism cant make you do something you would not willingly do. Its sort of like being drunk where your inner qualities come out.

a reply to: Aural

No MA'AM but a CULT can...over time.

a reply to: Nechash

The idea of there being 72 virgins waiting for them is a very stereotypical idea that is most commonly known by westerners and has nothing to do with the central idea of what their cause really is. They believe that their struggle, or Jihad, is between the Zionist and the Crusader, between the hypocrite and the infidel and that it is their sacred duty to see the destruction of these two 'evils'. They are taught that Jihad is the only path to freedom and that when they are judged by God that they show the wounds of martyrdom to be accepted into paradise, as this represents that they fulfilled gods mission for them.

I think that you're correct in saying it is hypnotism, but not in that manner you describe.

a reply to: kicked

Actually its highlighted more as a joke as if to say they are desperate to get laid, but yeah some think thats their real motivation so there is some misunderstanding but not as much as it seems.

a reply to: Aural

What if they don't know what they are doing at all? What if they think something else entirely is going on while they have a bomb they don't know about strapped to them? What if what they think you are trying to get them to do is provide ransom for their kidnapped mother which they would do, when in reality you are using them as a trojan horse, which they wouldn't do?

a reply to: Nechash

They sure look like they know what they are doing. Its not unusual to see someone acting nervous before attacks. If they are nervous they know.

a reply to: kicked

Why highlight 72? Why does it bother you when I use 70? What is significant about that specific number to you?

a reply to: Aural

I've never seen one during a successful bombing. How do you know?

Did you use your imagination to paint a very vivid picture of a nervous man toying with his shoe prior to a bomb failing to go off that the newsman described for you? Did you let that narrative crawl its way around your brain? How would anyone know what a bomber was doing right before the bombing if the eyewitnesses are mainly dead? We only catch those who fail.

What if they only let the sincere ones fail?

a reply to: Nechash

I was correcting you. Like i said, it's a misconception through and through. I could care less what the number is, the hadith says 72. All it is is an aspect of their idea of paradise, it is not why they are blowing themselves up.

a reply to: Nechash
There is no such thing as hypnosis Shallow Hal is not a documentary

a reply to: Nechash

They get caught on film sometimes.

a reply to: kicked

Correcting me? lol. Felt good. I must have been conditioned somewhere along the line that correction was pleasurable. Good thing for me. Releasing all these hormones to appear unresponsive to obvious torments is becoming a bit tiresome, but dang to find out that I had the keys to all my houses in my own pocket all this time, now that is amazing. I was looking for those everywhere. It is always the last place you look, isn't it? I guess that is a necessary truism. If you kept looking after you found it, you'd have to be more than a bit insane, wouldn't you?

This entire thread and thought you have is based on a premise " how could someone be so bad? They must be victims" kind of mindset but youre ignoring if someone is bad enough to hypnotize someone else to kill its easy for there to be someone who would do it themselves. Murders happen every day so what makes a terrorist so special and innocent? Its much easier to kidnap someones family and threaten them to do things than it would to hypnotize them but there isnt really evidence of that going on right now in large scale to account for every attack or anything close. Also suicide attacks isnt unheard of. Just look at the kamikazis of WWII people who attacked through suicide.

They should hypnotize every muslim extremist into believing they are in paradise, and that all the other muslim extremist they meet is one of the 72 virgins... so much love would be spread instead of war.

The U.S Army must have such a device laying around somewhere in a hidden storage house.

a reply to: Nechash

Whatever all that means lol. Call it clarifying because i didn't mean it in a negative way.

You posted a thread of outlandish and misinformed speculation and then when i tried to bring a bit of reason to it you follow it up with questions that look more like accusations. I regret posting to try to share some of what i learned because i too at one point didn't know what i was talking about when it came to the extremism going on in the world today. But i educated myself. I encourage you to believe what you want, but at the very least do a little homework to find something to base what you're speculating on. This issue of extremism is affecting a lot of people in contemporary society and isn't even close to being as simple as what you described in your OP.

Yes, i would say that a form of hypnotism is involved. Militant groups force recruits to undertake extensive religious studies of extreme interpretations of Islam. This, over an extended period of time, can be classed as a form of hypnotism, in my opinion.

Overall though, i would say that most Islamic suicide bombers are those who had been psychologically manipulated. Look at a lot of the Western jihadists fighting in the Middle-East. Most of them are recent converts who appear to be experiencing a honeymoon period where they consume extreme literature and thus carry out extreme actions. I would say that suicide bombers are on a cocktail of drugs and extreme interpretations of religion.

a reply to: Nechash

As-selamu Alaykum- "Yes" they are a bit of Organized Religion™ so 'Of Course' they've been lied to, but mostly in Arabic...
This is 'Manchurian Candidate' but instead of speaking Mandarin/Szechuan they talk like they have something caught in their throat.

Who has the bigger 'dogma' in the fight?

Do You know many followers of Islam™? I'd hope that You realize the Ones seen on t.v. are the Ones 'they' want You to see. (See: Herm Goering Nuremburg Trials You'll know when You read it..) Your post makes Me think of this line of 'generalizations'
"ALL Indians walk single file, at least the Only One I knew did..."


namaste

P.S. I just noticed the signature at the bottom of Your post re: the lines of communication being severed..? Each "Self", those in a 'body', has a 'direct link' between them and TheOneInfiniteCreator and OrganizedReligion™ is the "faulty wire" and IT causes the 'distortion'.

I thought it was all bologna and if "this Me" would've told this same thing to "the Cop Me" the 'Cop Me' would've locked up 'this Me' for being a knut. It is when You rid YourSelf of 'distractions' is when You see/feel/know 'TheTruth'

EDIT: I guess if You really HAD to know what an Islamic Terrorist looks like, I bet if You promised extra campaign funds $$$ for John McCain and the rest of the war profiteers they could show You..

a reply to: daaskapital

No that would be mind programming. Hypnotism involves altered states of conciousness. I doubt they try to put them into sleepy time suggestible states. Thats not much different than what people who join the military experience. Only way I could imagine altered suggestible states is if they offered drugs but I dont know of any that make people excessively suggestible. I mean there is small numbers of drugs that make people like zombies but they would not have access to it there or likely not even know about it and its too deadly to use consistantly.