Scotland Vote No In Referendum – Selfish, Scared People, Well Done!

originally posted by: angus1745
a reply to: alldaylong

The US is already free. They got independence from Britain 200 years ago. Oh and have a guess who was behind nicking the land off the Indians in the first place. The same scunners they had a WAR with to get Independence from.

Almost half the signers of the Declaration of Independence were SCOTTISH. Look it up. The declaration itself was based on The Declaration of Arbroath, from yes, SCOTLAND. We invented freedom.

I don't want to go back to my 'beloved' Scotland. I consider myself an Exile until Scotland is free. I like it better here. It's not run by the English. America is a great nation. That is what Scotland could have become. A successful prosperous Independent country. Now the chance is gone, at the hands of English trickery.

The English used a dirty trick at The Battle of Culloden in 1746, drastically changing the outcome of the battle. The Jacobites would have prevailed if not for their murderous trickery. They killed basically everyone, hunted them all down, confiscated lands and banned, Tartan, bagpipes. (they classed them as a weapon) they also tried their best to stamp out The Gaelic language. From that day on we were dominated by England.

They ran this referendum like they fought that battle. Dirtily, underhanded and fuelled by the monetary greed that necessitated a win for them in both situations. No true true Scot in their right mind could possibly vote NO.

It's that simple. A lot of the people who voted NO were suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Or English, Or gullible or greedy, or scared. Frightened like minnows into voting NO. Or just plain ignorant. The rest of us forward thinking Scots want what AMERICA has. Independence. Freedom. The chance to stand on our own.

Unionists are almost like some weird religion. illogical, erratic and flaky and they just will not hear the truth. To them we are the idiots. Just like religious people. NO voters and religious people are also similar in their ignorance. DENY IT.

Tell The Native American Indians they are free.

There is one thing i can't stand and that is hypocritical Americans. You fit the bill perfectly.

originally posted by: angus1745
a reply to: uncommitted

Wow. I did not know that. You're right. I don't know everything.

Salmond must have been an idiot to make up those rules. I still like to think the overseas votes would have made for a landslide YES vote.

The whole thing was a farce.

This wasn't the same as voting for a president, I'm not sure it should be treated the same way. Equally, if someone has/had a postal address in Scotland as their main residence purely because they were taking advantage of the free university education but once completed they would go back to their homeland - why should their vote be allowed but no one else from the UK but outside of Scotland?

I think you are right in that the conditions of this were not really fair.... to all of the people in the UK, but don't blame England/rest of UK for that. The dice was arguably loaded more in Salmonds favour, but a free and democratic vote made the decision.

I don't understand why you talk about Scotland not being free in one of your previous posts, can you give an example of where the typical Scottish person is not 'free'? Please don't just make spurious statements about Whitehall, give an example of where I, say, who lives in the Midlands area of England is more free than a person living in Edinburgh - just one please.

a reply to: uncommitted

I think the parameters were pretty much accepted by all. The other home nations rightly could not vote on this, it would really just mean England deciding. We are free nations and are not prisoners of each other.

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a reply to: uncommitted

By free I mean Independence. A free standing nation. Not governed and taxed by another country.

America fought to be free from the English in the 1770's. That's how treasured a thing freedom is.

To be a stand alone country in charge of it's own destiny and massive oil revenues is to be free. As it is we are NOT FREE. We are governed and taxed by our parasitic neighbours who don't give a shirt about Scotland. That's why young kids are starving and food banks are being set up.

There's an example of the inequality, and a perfectly illustrated example of why some in Scotland are NOT FREE.

No foodbanks in England. Disgusting imbalance.

No food banks in England? Bloody hell - have you heard of Google?

(quote) Tell The Native American Indians they are free.

There is one thing i can't stand and that is hypocritical Americans. You fit the bill perfectly.(quote)




I'm not American. I'm Scottish.

Oh and the Indians are free. They have massive reservations and run Casinos in them. Everybody is free here in the good old US of A.

originally posted by: angus1745





(quote) Tell The Native American Indians they are free.

There is one thing i can't stand and that is hypocritical Americans. You fit the bill perfectly.(quote)




I'm not American. I'm Scottish.

Oh and the Indians are free. They have massive reservations and run
Casinos in them. Everybody is free here in the good old US of A.

If you think the Native Americans are free then you are deluded.

usnews.nbcnews.com...

You may not be American ( so you say ) but you are still living on occupied land.
A hypocrite of the first order.

Oh, is this another Braveheart American who has discovered he's related to a chieftain and is willing to fly to Scotland to fight for his clan?

Some of the delusion over people's links to "the old country" has been laughable on here quite frankly.

originally posted by: KingIcarus
Oh, is this another Braveheart American who has discovered he's related to a chieftain and is willing to fly to Scotland to fight for his clan?

Some of the delusion over people's links to "the old country" has been laughable on here quite frankly.

No, he's just an ill informed fool.

originally posted by: angus1745
I'm not American. I'm Scottish.

Have you got a US passport, or one issued by the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?
Just curious, as obviously Scotland cannot and does not issue international passports.

originally posted by: angus1745
a reply to: uncommitted

By free I mean Independence. A free standing nation. Not governed and taxed by another country.

America fought to be free from the English in the 1770's. That's how treasured a thing freedom is.

To be a stand alone country in charge of it's own destiny and massive oil revenues is to be free. As it is we are NOT FREE. We are governed and taxed by our parasitic neighbours who don't give a shirt about Scotland. That's why young kids are starving and food banks are being set up.

There's an example of the inequality, and a perfectly illustrated example of why some in Scotland are NOT FREE.

No foodbanks in England. Disgusting imbalance.

Sheesh man, what papers do you read? To be clear, Scotland doesn't get an oil revenue per se, 8% of the tax the oil drilling companies (net) goes to the UK, and that is what some people refer to.

Scottish people pay the same tax as anywhere else in the UK and actually have more spent per head than ANY OTHER part of the UK. No food banks in England? Really???? There are food banks at the moment in almost every country in Europe, don't you have them in America or do you allow people to just starve to death?

Credit crunch hit everywhere, Scotland is not exempt and why should it be?

a reply to: angus1745

Dear oh Dear.

originally posted by: angus1745





I'm not American. I'm Scottish.

Oh and the Indians are free. They have massive reservations and run Casinos in them. Everybody is free here in the good old US of A

so why are there currently dozens of active threads about the loss of freedom in the US? The TSA, the Police, the anti gun lobby, the pro gun lobby, the privatisation of the prison service, which apparently is seeking to incarcerate every single American to make a profit? ATS is full of this stuff

Oh and yes, there are many food banks in England, in fact there are more areas of extreme deprivation in England than anywhere in Scotland


And were you born in Scotland? Were your parents born in Scotland? If not, then whilst you may have Scottish Ancestry, you are not Scottish.

a reply to: KingIcarus

Wrong. I'm Scottish. Born in Scotland grew up in Scotland moved to USA seven years ago.

My Clan did fight, at Culloden in 1746. Clan Farquharson.

My family can trace it's roots all the way back to the Macbeth family on my mothers side. My father's side originates from Upper Deeside. The lands of the Clan Farquharson.

Sorry to disappoint anyone but I'm about as Scottish as you can get.

a reply to: grainofsand

I have a UK passport of course. There is no such thing as a Scottish passport.

We lost the Independence vote remember? We are still part of the UK,


Oh, and surprise surprise. :

www.newsweek.com...

a reply to: angus1745

There's no surprise there. There is lots of evidence of Electoral Fraud. Unfortunately the Mainstream Media is not picking up the story. Only the smaller independent News Outlets are picking it up. Probably because they are not controlled by the Government and Buckingham Palace.

Like you just posted there is evidence of dumping postal votes. And since these postal votes are all YES votes that's evidence of Fraud. There are CCTV videos of ballot counters switching Yes and No votes around making sure that some of the Yes votes get mixed into the No vote piles. There is evidence of ballot counters filling in ballot papers themselves. Fire alarms and evacuations during the Dundee voting counts. That gave the fraudsters time enough to switch ballot boxes. Ballot papers themselves were very simple and easy to fix. Ballot boxes that were emptied were found to have ballot papers neatly stacked which is impossible given that there is just a slot to stuff your ballot paper into. No Exit polls were conducted for the simple reason they would have shown that there were more Yes votes than No votes.

Opinion polls before the referendum were conducted however and showed that the Yes votes were ahead of the No votes but of course that was switched around for the 'real' votes. There's evidence of voters giving their addresses to the ballot stations to vote that weren't the people they said they were. I myself was only required to give my address at the voting station. No name or ID was required.

Then we have what you were saying earlier. Scottish people not in Scotland at that time were not allowed to vote but English people were.

I like many others said on our facebook pages that Buckingham Palace and Westminister were not going to let Scotland get independence. London had too much to lose. They were going to fix the Referendum like they fix all their elections. And we were right. Common sense. Scotland is too important to be let go. We Will NEVER get a fair chance of standing on our own feet! THEY WON'T LET US!

originally posted by: angus1745
a reply to: KingIcarus

Wrong. I'm Scottish. Born in Scotland grew up in Scotland moved to USA seven years ago.

My Clan did fight, at Culloden in 1746. Clan Farquharson.

My family can trace it's roots all the way back to the Macbeth family on my mothers side. My father's side originates from Upper Deeside. The lands of the Clan Farquharson.

Sorry to disappoint anyone but I'm about as Scottish as you can get.

Well if you only moved from the UK 7 years ago, you should be well aware of extreme poverty in all areas of the UK and most certainly existence of food banks in England...

As for your link about the alleged votes in the bin, Police Scotland were not able to confirm that they had actually received the ballot papers (from the Glasgow Herald) but they had been made aware and were investigating..that was over a week ago, nothing has come of it.

a reply to: Tedgoat

It's already been done to death on here that the parameters for voting were set by Alex Salmond. Whine at him.
As for the stuff about videos of votes being switched, why are NONE of the SNP's observers who stood watching the votes being counted complaining about this? How come all of the observers who were there from both sides were completely satisfied with the process? You need to stop believing unsubstantiated hype. Things being presented out of context *by people who weren't there at the time* is not evidence of anything.

originally posted by: waynos
As for the stuff about videos of votes being switched, why are NONE of the SNP's observers who stood watching the votes being counted complaining about this? How come all of the observers who were there from both sides were completely satisfied with the process?

Why wouldn't they be satisfied? It is only a few sore losers (who were not even there during counting) that are making claims of vote rigging.[

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: waynos
As for the stuff about videos of votes being switched, why are NONE of the SNP's observers who stood watching the votes being counted complaining about this? How come all of the observers who were there from both sides were completely satisfied with the process?

Why wouldn't they be satisfied? It is only a few sore losers (who were not even there) that are making claims of vote rigging.

Sore losers? Sorry but I would have to disagree. The fact of the matter is there are questions about the voting process and the ballot counting process. Nearly 50% of the Scottish people think so. And that figure is rising. All those people are not sore losers.

These people have their eyes open to corruption and fraud within the British electoral system!