Tensions With Russia Near Breaking Point

It depends who you are talking about.

PREDICTION:

I see a 3000 kilometer range ballistic missile with a maneuvering warhead containing electronics to search and destroy large ships, moving on a low trajectory at mach 6.

I see it being fired from a small cargo ship.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
And where exactly have you been, because Russia is the reason they are fighting in Ukraine? They started this war by annexing Crimea.

Thats not true in the slightest. Are you forgetting the course of events?

Ukrainians were protesting over the presidents closer ties to Russia. They wanted a more western leaning government. Instigators embedded in the protests started getting more and more violent - many people believe they were western forces, given the leaked private calls and the simple history of western backed revolution.

Then it got to the point that the government was getting restrictive and violent, and that whole mess with the snipers who were neither Ukrainian protestors nor Ukrainian Berkuta. They shot both sides.

a reply to: Ridhya

Thats not true in the slightest. Are you forgetting the course of events?

And what I said was regarding this comment...

Russia is very reluctant to fight a big war in a brotherly Slavic country.

And has Russia been reluctant to fight a war in a brotherly Slavic country, because if you look they have no problem fighting a war in a brotherly Slavic country.

Instigators embedded in the protests started getting more and more violent - many people believe they were western forces, given the leaked private calls and the simple history of western backed revolution.

Do you understand that these protests were because the people were tired of the then president lying to them and stealing money from them.

Seems certain people do not want to give the Ukraine people the credit to deal with problems on their own, but instead it's easier to blame the west.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

No, it`s more difficult to blame The West...it`s having to resort to leaked tapes, Counsel of Foreign Relations documents, reports of Western politicians visiting and wikileaks documents. LMAO !

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

No, it`s more difficult to blame The West...it`s having to resort to leaked tapes, Counsel of Foreign Relations documents, reports of Western politicians visiting and wikileaks documents. LMAO !

And yet when the same evidence is shown that directly involves Russia in Ukraine it is all fake...love the hypocrisy.

And so now wikileaks is where the truth is at...gotcha!

Western politicians visit Russia does that mean they are responsible for the unrest there also?

Your document from the council on foreign affairs was not from them as it was shown when that supposed document was discussed.

Now have anything else that has been discussed and shown to be not what you try and say it is?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

That was enough, no need to show anymore...and still you guys want more stuff to fail...masochism FTW !

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Sure Russia is feeling the pain, but so does the EU.
If Russia really was in trouble they already would have cut off the gas towards the EU, by doing so they can force the EU to lift the sanctions.

1. The economy of the EU is several orders of magnitude bigger than that of Russia. The EU has economic depth so the reverse impact of sanctions is diluted.
2. Russia won't turn off the gas as that is their ONLY significant revenue raiser. Cutting gas would wreck Russia. The EU would just buy from elsewhere.

Regards

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

That was enough, no need to show anymore...and still you guys want more stuff to fail...masochism FTW !

Because what you have shown has been discussed and proven to be not what your trying to pass them off as, so if you have something that hasn't been shown as being misrepresented feel free to post it.

a reply to: paraphi

EU is way to dependent on Russian gas, and it`s economy needs also gas. EU economy isn`t doing so well, they can`t use gas shortage (30 %). Shale liquid gas is way too expensive to import is such large quantities.

Oil is Russia's biggest revenue, it`s almost 4 times larger.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Diluting yourself doesn`t make it not true.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Diluting yourself doesn`t make it not true.

And believing everything Russian media says doesn't either.

As for being diluted, take a good look in the mirror and repeat what you just said...let us know if it works for you.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
Sure Russia is feeling the pain, but so does the EU.
If Russia really was in trouble they already would have cut off the gas towards the EU, by doing so they can force the EU to lift the sanctions.

1. The economy of the EU is several orders of magnitude bigger than that of Russia. The EU has economic depth so the reverse impact of sanctions is diluted.
2. Russia won't turn off the gas as that is their ONLY significant revenue raiser. Cutting gas would wreck Russia. The EU would just buy from elsewhere.

Regards

The key is Russia has to export gas to somebody else. Transporting gas is difficult. The pipelines have to be laid. Liquefying facilities have to be built.

Russia built its economy (post USSR) focusing on Europe. This is the reason of so many gas pipelines to Europe. But there is none to China.

Where Europe imports its gas from is not the issue. The issue is if Russia can export and continue to earn to fund its military.

Russia has just signed 400B deal with China. This is just a start. China has excess construction manpower. China can easily send one million workers to Russia to build pipelines or other infrastructure.

So EU must not be over-confident.

The Poroshenko government of Ukraine is the most criminal of any country, far worse than the worst middle eastern countries. This government is engaged in systematic torture, extortion, trafficking of arms and drugs under the very nose of EU. The EU chooses to look the other way.

How long as they say. You may be smart but even the smarts face their day.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Look, I never said the protests werent justified, and I never said that Yanu was a good guy - he was corrupt, like all politicians, he was living in luxury while his country crumbled, and he wasnt following the will of most of the people (Europe).

Russia didnt invade during the protests. Russia didnt start the war.

The protests escalated, things got violent, it became neo-nazis vs neo-communists, with everyday people caught in between. Foreign diplomats and the CIA DIRECTOR HIMSELF suddenly showed up there. As mentioned, there were LEAKED TAPES implying the US was controlling who would make up the new regime.

Suddenly, SNIPERS ARE KILLING PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, and this implies a third party - nows a good time to remember that the CIA were in Ukraine...

The evidence all points in one direction, and of course the old standard, who benefitted? Did Putin actually want a war, or did the war divide Ukraine and Russia further? Even people who were on the fence suddenly went full swing when things became polarised - like Bush's "either you're with us or against us" diatribe.

Back to the point: fighting between divided loyalties within Ukraine escalated, violence erupted, it increased in stages. But it was all instigated from the start, by provocateurs in the protests.

originally posted by: DAZ21
Things seem to be coming to a head and the pressure on Russia is building, pressure some may say is uncalled for. Now it seems Russia is on the edge of recession, with the sanctions taking their toll and the Rouble falling to an all time low.

Also new troop deployments to Crimea are scheduled with Russia possibly getting ready to make Ukraine pay for bringing Russia to it's knees through western sanctions.

Russian authorities urged people not to panic on Tuesday as the rouble fell to a new all-time low against the US dollar amid concerns about the effect of sanctions on the country's economy.

The rouble fell about 1% to 38.71 per dollar, the weakest it has been since the currency was restructured in 1998.

Last week, the US and Europe introduced further sanctions against Russia for its actions in Ukraine.

"Don't panic," said deputy finance minister Alexei Moiseyev.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Russia needs to boost forces in Crimea because of the Ukraine crisis and a foreign military build-up, Russia's Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu says.

He said Russia must deploy "a full and self-reliant" military force in Crimea, which it annexed in March.

Pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine launched their bid for separation shortly after the annexation.

Since a truce on 5 September, rebel groups have been posted near Mariupol, a key port on the main route to Crimea.

Ukrainian politicians have expressed fears that Russia may try to connect the rebels in the east with Crimea, a move that would involve seizing Mariupol.

www.bbc.co.uk...

All in all, just as things were getting better, increasing pressure on Russia with not even an ounce of concrete evidence is creating serious tension again. The question is, will Russia give in? Or will Russia finally snap and hit back?

Maybe it's just me, but is there anything worse the western world could have done than add more sanctions? I mean there will be nothing that gets the Russian people riled up more and all for going to war with the western world which is economically screwing them over. Seems like a stupid thing our governments have done to me.

If you ask me, I am all for a tensions). Breaking point, folks, we are nearing.

The moment everyone to witness, the most embracing for all - -the 'king' is NAKED.

World police is an idiot with a big gun. Does it sound familiar?