Tensions With Russia Near Breaking Point

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DAZ21

Of course it hurts the Russians, but not as bad as they would like us to let believe.

Ordinary Russians also know it, and the transition will take some time, but they see opportunities for Russians because of more domestic production and by so more labour. It`s the EU who gets hurt by not getting the bushiness back they had from exporting to the Russian Federation.

There are some sanctions being discussed which can hit badly. They are exclusion from using the SWIFT transactions for international trade. This way, no wire transfers can be made to or from Russia.

Do not know how international trade works, but wonder check payments etc. can replace the wires. Also, Russia can set up a new bank in a 3rd country and have all transactions go to that bank. Russia can also set up its own alternate SWIFT system just like BRICS are making their own bank to bypass the world bank and IMF.

In a way this all is working towards breaking the hegemony of the west over various important issues in the world. A blessing in disguise for sure. About time to rip apart the strings attached type of business terms.

a reply to: victor7

UK proposed this, but other EU countries didn`t want to have frozen asses this winter.

I think we will see lifting of sanctions sooner as more coming. Kiev and Separatists have just agreed to pull-back heavy weaponry both 15km, leaving a 30km buffer zone. Once EU is satisfied, you will see lifting of sanctions.

Russia isn`t interested in Eastern Ukraine. They probably have made a deal with US not supplying heavy weapons and Russia not occupying Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine army is in no shape to be a threat now.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

On the contrary, I have a feeling that Ukrops will break the cease fire soon. They are now rested and resupplied with new weapons.

Kiev Junta has only less than a month before winter heating requirements go into effect. The Junta can forget about any support from EU capitals. Junta will either make another go for it or wait until next spring.

Putin cannot leave this conflict frozen. Back and forth sanctions take a lot of toll on economic stability and other variables.

Btw, US has promised anti-mortar radars to UKrops. This can be bad for rebels who have been counting a lot on their artillery and mortar to bust the concentrations of Junta forces. Russia needs to supply them with similar weapons and also provide defensive tools against the incoming fire.

a reply to: SivIncGate

What the heck are you posting?

a reply to: victor7

Both sides in Ukraine conflict sign treaty banning military action

Kiev and self-defense forces signed a memorandum aimed at effectively halting all fighting in eastern Ukraine after talks in Minsk. It creates a buffer zone, demands a pullback of troops and mercenaries, and bans military aviation flybys over the area.

Source

originally posted by: DAZ21
Things seem to be coming to a head and the pressure on Russia is building, pressure some may say is uncalled for. Now it seems Russia is on the edge of recession, with the sanctions taking their toll and the Rouble falling to an all time low.

Also new troop deployments to Crimea are scheduled with Russia possibly getting ready to make Ukraine pay for bringing Russia to it's knees through western sanctions.

Russian authorities urged people not to panic on Tuesday as the rouble fell to a new all-time low against the US dollar amid concerns about the effect of sanctions on the country's economy.

The rouble fell about 1% to 38.71 per dollar, the weakest it has been since the currency was restructured in 1998.

Last week, the US and Europe introduced further sanctions against Russia for its actions in Ukraine.

"Don't panic," said deputy finance minister Alexei Moiseyev.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Russia needs to boost forces in Crimea because of the Ukraine crisis and a foreign military build-up, Russia's Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu says.

He said Russia must deploy "a full and self-reliant" military force in Crimea, which it annexed in March.

Pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine launched their bid for separation shortly after the annexation.

Since a truce on 5 September, rebel groups have been posted near Mariupol, a key port on the main route to Crimea.

Ukrainian politicians have expressed fears that Russia may try to connect the rebels in the east with Crimea, a move that would involve seizing Mariupol.

www.bbc.co.uk...

All in all, just as things were getting better, increasing pressure on Russia with not even an ounce of concrete evidence is creating serious tension again. The question is, will Russia give in? Or will Russia finally snap and hit back?

Maybe it's just me, but is there anything worse the western world could have done than add more sanctions? I mean there will be nothing that gets the Russian people riled up more and all for going to war with the western world which is economically screwing them over. Seems like a stupid thing our governments have done to me.

Yah, a little recession won't hurt if you consider what is at stake. US of A money printing press is wearing out by the day. Good timing to just put it out of it's misery. Don't you think so?

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: victor7

Both sides in Ukraine conflict sign treaty banning military action

Kiev and self-defense forces signed a memorandum aimed at effectively halting all fighting in eastern Ukraine after talks in Minsk. It creates a buffer zone, demands a pullback of troops and mercenaries, and bans military aviation flybys over the area.

Source

The rebels have been sold cheap down the river. All the lives of fighters and civilians lost mean nothing, soldiers come cheap in Russia anyways.

Does this also include building wall on Donbass border with Russia? NONSENSE !!

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originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: victor7

Both sides in Ukraine conflict sign treaty banning military action

Kiev and self-defense forces signed a memorandum aimed at effectively halting all fighting in eastern Ukraine after talks in Minsk. It creates a buffer zone, demands a pullback of troops and mercenaries, and bans military aviation flybys over the area.

Source

The rebels have been sold cheap down the river. All the lives of fighters and civilians lost mean nothing, soldiers come cheap in Russia anyways.

Does this also include building wall on Donbass border with Russia? NONSENSE !!

Can you, please, elaborate?

a reply to: darkorange

All this fighting and loss of lives got them what? 3 years of special status and that's it............for Junta to rearm, better train and then attack them again?

That is selling the rebels and people in Donbass for cheap deals in the negotiations. In Russian culture there is little value for foot soldiers and common people and it shows here too. Only important are the top dogs like Kremlin leaders, Generals and Oligarchs.

Russia spent up $50B in Sochi Olympics but could not get full body armor for the rebels at the cost of mere $500 each.

Another example: Just read that Defense Minister of Russia is promising that in couple of years of time there will be "complete standing showers" in all the military bases.

Say what??????????? Does Russian Army not have even showers for its soldiers? Even third world nations have showers for their military soldiers and that too even on the battlefield !! Less than $50 of items and fixed showers bases with just a drainage in the ground and covered by hard plastic can be made for soldiers to not run around with buckets of water and perform similar comical and shameful antics.

25 years since throwing away of the ROTTEN COMMIEE system and still running in the field with buckets to take a shower !! NONSENSE !!

a reply to: victor7

Strength of Russian army in "otmorozok", half of them become "otmorozok"
And they will go and kill Ukranian mafia even in USA.
I just finished watching "Brother -2" for the first time, was surprised that they kill Bandera in USA already in 2000 lol.

en.wikipedia.org...

Basically, 10-15% of Russian army is like those 2 gangsters killing everyone in USA in that film. Brat

I couldn't stop from smiling when that russian killer killed one of Ukr mafia in Chicago and said"
"And this - is for Sevastopol" . This film predicted those tensions 15 years ago.

a reply to: kitzik

I hope come winter, Russia makes another go at the Ukrops to clear them out and away atleast to the other side of Dniper. NovoRossiya needs to come to official function and recognition this winter.

Porky Poro is happy that 60-65% of the equipment that he lost in summer is now slowly being replaced. He came back from US and other western countries with lots of body armor, medical kits and $1B of loan guarantee from the US. This means he can buy weapons for $1B on loan and it will be back by DC's guarantee. No one would otherwise lend a dime to Kiev Junta which is already bankrupt.

Can't make Donbass another "depressive Transnistria" with economic stagnation and social chaos.

a reply to: victor7

This buddy seems serious ru.wikipedia.org...Мозговой,_Алексей_Борисович

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originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DAZ21

Of course it hurts the Russians, but not as bad as they would like us to let believe.

Ordinary Russians also know it, and the transition will take some time, but they see opportunities for Russians because of more domestic production and by so more labour. It`s the EU who gets hurt by not getting the bushiness back they had from exporting to the Russian Federation.

There are some sanctions being discussed which can hit badly. They are exclusion from using the SWIFT transactions for international trade. This way, no wire transfers can be made to or from Russia.

Do not know how international trade works, but wonder check payments etc. can replace the wires. Also, Russia can set up a new bank in a 3rd country and have all transactions go to that bank. Russia can also set up its own alternate SWIFT system just like BRICS are making their own bank to bypass the world bank and IMF.

In a way this all is working towards breaking the hegemony of the west over various important issues in the world. A blessing in disguise for sure. About time to rip apart the strings attached type of business terms.

India has its own system of bank transfers. I am sure China may be having one too.

The problem is Russia became too dependent on Western systems. It is realizing now (suddenly) that its own dream of reconciliation and coexistence with Europe has been shattered.

Problem is not Putin, as the West likes to paint. The problem is brutal geopolitics that strives for political control of one party over the entire world. And the scheme involves conquering Russia. In this scheme Russians as people have no role or value.

Of course many Russians still identify themselves with Europe and many will flee with their money. But still enough will believe in future of Russia.

The believers in Russia will eventually emerge victorious.

Do not worry about SWIFT. These are just tricks to fool you. They want Russians to use Western banks so that they can keep indirect control over Russian economy.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: kitzik

I hope come winter, Russia makes another go at the Ukrops to clear them out and away atleast to the other side of Dniper. NovoRossiya needs to come to official function and recognition this winter.

Can't make Donbass another "depressive Transnistria" with economic stagnation and social chaos.

Poroshenko will not be there for long.

The West needs a ruse for a direct conflict with Russia. The problem is Ukraine's army has failed. Equipping Ukrainian army is not in USA's agenda. They fear that a lot of Ukrainian army is infiltrated with Russians. Ukrainian language is too close to Russian so basically Ukrainians are no use except cannon fodder.

Most likely Putin does not want to escalate. Otherwise Putin would not sue for peace despite military gains.

There must be strong reasons why Putin dis-engaged.

So we have a frozen fight now. Novo-Russia has not been achieved. However the seed of Novo-Russia has been planted.

Ukraine has not conceded defeat. Ukraine wants to rebuild its forces to fight another day. It has IMF money in its pocket for this purpose.

a reply to: GargIndia

Most likely Putin does not want to escalate. Otherwise Putin would not sue for peace despite military gains.

There must be strong reasons why Putin dis-engaged.

Putin just wanted a little bit more independence from his western masters. But masters wanted all of Putin. Putin and almost all his government have children living permanently in western countries (USA, Germany, etc)
Putin himself is protégé of Kissinger, just new American elites don't want to share with Putin anything, they want all of Russia. Russia is colonized almost like India in the past. West will agree only on someone like drunken Eltzin with full American control.

a reply to: GargIndia

Kremlin cannot leave the NovoRossiya project as a frozen Transnistria type conflict. NovoRossiya has to take shape this winter.

Even by the words of NATO commander, the cease fire is mostly on paper. Ukrops are busy trying to take advantage where ever they can. Once Junta feels confident again, it will launch another attack on NAF.

It is possible that Russians are waiting for that to happen and this time they might NOT send troops under cover but with a formal invasion force with air power and cruise missiles. In two weeks Junta will be pushed to the other side of Dniper.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: GargIndia

Kremlin cannot leave the NovoRossiya project as a frozen Transnistria type conflict. NovoRossiya has to take shape this winter.

Even by the words of NATO commander, the cease fire is mostly on paper. Ukrops are busy trying to take advantage where ever they can. Once Junta feels confident again, it will launch another attack on NAF.

It is possible that Russians are waiting for that to happen and this time they might NOT send troops under cover but with a formal invasion force with air power and cruise missiles. In two weeks Junta will be pushed to the other side of Dniper.

Weren't you in complete denial about Russians helping the separatists not too long ago? Now you are finally admitting it? Progress, not perfection, I guess.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Read my posts again, probably I am the only few who accept that Russia is helping the rebels with men and machines. My complain however is the help came a little late as thousands of lives could have been saved with early butt spanking of the Ukrops.

Btw, if Kremlin 'super strategists' try to freeze this conflict and leave Donbass as it is...................no one will EVER fight for Russia and its corrupt systems and Tsarist culture again.

In WWII, the Commie Stalin under pressure of retreat, quickly changed the slogan of war from the Commie Cause to Russian Nationalism. Common peasant and mine worker fought for Mother Russia and NOT for USSR's commie system. However, if today's mine workers lost their life and home, fighting for Russia and in turn Kremlin shut the switch on them..........then that betrayal will come at a very heavy price for those who manufactured this conflict in the first place. Strelkov and others have already warned on this back stab in Minsk.