From The Makers Of Drunk Murderers....

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Anheuser-Busch, the parent company of the official beer of the NFL, issued a strong statement expressing its displeasure over how the league has responded to its players being connected to incidents of domestic violence and child abuse.

Who thinks these morons have any business trying to tell the NFL policy?

This Beer company is responsible for more wrecked lives than all the domestic abuse combined. They Have absolutely no business telling the NFL jack squat. Hell, they are responsible for providing the fuel that lights this fire most of the time. If they want to do something about it...I suggest they get out of the Beer business and get into the rehab business. Otherwise they should shut their hypocritical mouths.

Leave a response and I will gladly reply. I am going to be out for awhile but feel free to start the retorts without me.

Why is it .. westerners blame objects / items for human stupidity rather than place the blame where it belongs - on the idiots who do stupid things ?

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

expressing its displeasure over how the league has responded to its players

How the league responded. What's wrong with that? They aren't saying the actions of the league leading up until this point, only how it handled it.

How has Bush handled themselves?

Anheuser-Busch has a vested interest in the responsible consumption of our products. No company wants to see its products misused, which is why brewers, working in conjunction with wholesalers and retailers, play an active role in promoting alcohol responsibility.

As part of our effort to encourage responsible drinking, the following are a sample of our key initiatives:

Good Sport
Bud Light Party Code
Training for Intervention Procedures
Sound attitude

anheuser-busch.com...

Contributions:

1 billion to underage drinking prevention and drunk driving.
Reduced 40% water usage for environment
72 million cans of drinking water to disaster areas
1.4 Billion to CSR

anheuser-busch.com...

So there is a black eye on the league which Bush sponsors and is a part of and they are not happy with how they handle it? Rightly so. They have every right to say something, and push for the league to do something.

If my employees were so screwed up that their personal life threatened their professional life I think we'd be suggesting something to help them too. Wether it be disciplinary measures, programs or professional counselling. Instead of turning a blind eye at least you are making an effort.

AB sells beer, they don't tell people to get drunk and beat their wives.

It is, in my opinion, absolute nonsense to blame a brewery for the inability of some people to control their violent tempers. I'm not a fan of the swill that Anheiser Busch passes off as beer, but I do regularly enjoy the barley pop.
It has been a part of human culture for a long time and will likely be such for even longer.
Don't use beer as an excuse to be a dick. Learn to control yourself or don't drink.
Don't put the stink on the elixir. It makes me a jolly fine fellow.

originally posted by: Expat888
Why is it .. westerners blame objects / items for human stupidity rather than place the blame where it belongs - on the idiots who do stupid things ?

Because it's easier to do that than change how you think, or control your own actions. If you blame it on somebody/something else than you can continue the dumbassery with less little to no guilt because it isn't really your fault.

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
If they want to do something about it...I suggest they get out of the Beer...

If anyone considers the stuff Anheuser-Busch brews 'beer' you and I need to have a deep conversation regarding adult beverages.

It's a threat...a hollow threat, but it does carry some weight.
As in, if AB pulls their advertising from NFL events, the NFL
will lose an enormous amount of revenue.

But whether or not they go thru with it and pull their sponsorship,
in the end another company would eventually
fill that void.

So AB is kind of getting their cake and eating it too. Regardless
of whether their intent was heartfelt in regard to family
violence, they end up looking like the good guy either way.

It's just a PR opportunity. If the NFL comes down hard on its
wife beating players AB comes out smelling like a rose...if the
NFL doesn't respond to the threat, AB still gets great PR out of
it...then can wait awhile (till the storm blows over) and get right
back to business as usual with the NFL--maybe even get a little
break on ad prices to boot....win/win for AB

No problem if AB wants to chime in, they are a pretty huge sponsor.

From the same article...

Campbell Soup said it had also spoken to the NFL about the Ray Rice video investigation.

"Upon completion of the investigation, we expect the NFL to take appropriate action,'' Campbell Soup Co. said in a statement. ``We have shared our views with the NFL.''

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

I find it difficult to express in a concise fashion, just how staggeringly futile it is, to blame an object or substance for a set of human behaviours.

Whether a person is forcibly injected with a pharmacuetical against thier will by another person or group of people, or imbibes too much alcohol through thier own fault, a human choice is always made, in every foul thing that has ever befallen an individual, or a community, save of course those incidents which occur as a result of a natural disaster or event.

Blaming alcohol for alcohol related deaths, physical abuse, sexual assault, the loss of ones keys, or even a hangover is exactly as patently unsupportable as blaming an axe for being buried in a chest, rather than a log. It is perfectly possible for a human being to drink alcohol without being addicted to it. It is perfectly possible for a human being to be drunk, without becoming a violent, knuckle dragging halfwit.

The people to blame in the scenarios you mention, are not therefore the beer companies, who to all intents and purposes are providing a luxury item, an imbibing alcoholic beverage, to a public willing to pay for it. It is strictly the responsibility of the user of ANY item, whether it be a drink, a gun, a hammer, or a car, to ensure that thier use of the item is not reckless, dangerous, or downright sociopathic in aspect.

Therefore, if a person has a drink or two, and becomes a raging bastard, it is upon that person to remain sober, if thier biochemistry prevents them from taking a drink without becoming a fiend. That is the bottom line. People are reponsible for thier own actions, and if they get themselves drunk and start beating thier spouses, thier children, or random passers by, then they are as responsible for that as if they had done the whole lot sober. I would argue that no matter the outward, sober appearance they might present in public, a person who is capable of being a bastard while drunk, is probably just a straight up bastard who can act like something else.

I say this through no small experience of alcohol. In fact, as my Kraken swilling avatar will attest, I do rather enjoy a glass of rum. I also like ale. I like dark rum for its sweetness, its soft heat, its many faceted flavours of spices, occasionally caramel essence, and the many other hints and aromas which comprise its glorious taste. Ale I like for its bitterness, the full feeling one gets after a pint has hit ones belly, and the hoppy aroma it gives off under ones nose. I used to damned well LIVE in a pub, literally.

However, I have never been a slave to the drink, never felt that I HAD to have one, and nor have I ever acted totally out of character, even while totally obliterated, on the fairly rare occasion that I ingest enough of the stuff to actually get me completely drunk. I have never gotten into a drunken bar fight with a stranger (although I have accidentally walked into a bar fight that was happening, and had to deal with that scenario being inflicted upon me, as opposed to being its progenitor), nor have I beaten people close to me and blamed it on the booze.

The fact is, that the people who CAN behave in such a fashion while drunk, are not particularly nice on the inside for one reason or another. That is not a word of judgement upon them, just an observation. An awful lot can happen to a mind during a life, and the way those things express themselves (which they always do) vary greatly dependent on many factors in that persons life, including the source of any negative artifacts in thier psyche, how well supported they are emotionally by thier immediate family and friends, and a great many other things.

But make no mistake, people, human beings, are the cause of all of the situations you have referred to in your OP. Not beer, not drugs, not pressure, and not fame, but PEOPLE. It takes a PERSON choosing to hurt another person, being capable of making that choice in ANY state, no matter how drunk. There is always a choice, even when you can barely feel your own lips, when you can hardly stand, when you cannot walk in a straight line, there is always a choice.

So when some horrible story of a drunk driver, or a beer fueled abuser hits your news feed, remember that it is not the chemical substance which is at fault, but a weak willed human being, unwilling or unable through ego or stupidity, to understand his or her limitations enough to avoid the worst possible outcomes of examining the edge of thier unique envelope of control.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Having been addicted to beer myself. I don't see how you are blaming the beer for the alcoholism. It's the action(choice) of drinking too much that causes aggressive alcoholism(anger, potential violence, mood changes, brain changes). Beer is a relatively harmless beverage if the individual drinks responsibly.

If you drink once and make a mistake, 9/10 it is forgiven. It is the subsequent times you choose to drink even though you know what the potential outcomes are that have less empathy. Alcoholism is the repeat offense of that action. The beer is irrelevant to the problem. It is the individual's laziness and choice in drinking again(even though they know how they get) that is the issue.

That's like blaming a cheeseburger for someone being a fat ass because they eat ten cheeseburgers a day.

Or a knife because someone decided to stab someone.

I could go on. But this whole topic doesn't make any sense to me.