So The Truth Is Coming Out About The Scottish Heath Service.

a reply to: Bun-G

I take it you mean Possilpark? Not exactly the safest region in our fair city of Glasgow, to be fair the poor woman could have been verbally abused and have had her bag attempted to be stolen without any referendum supporters to be had. Possil is pretty dodgy. Has the incident been reported to the Police?

As to the rape of our wives and daughters you have heard of the Highland clearances? Rape and pillaging certainly took place then.

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a reply to: andy06shake

Aye thats it. I've got family that's lived there for the past 40 odd years. Its not the nicest area but it has always been a tight community that looks after its own.. Minus the skaggies and Ned's.

I know all about the highland clearances but you cant live in the past it isn't the same country anymore

To the other poster, aye it could of been a gust of wind wearing a yes badge, with the amount of hotair and claptrap that's generated by some of their supporters.. On making up the rest.. Aye, whatever you say buddy. I must be a paid up thatcherite even though she's long dead

a reply to: Bun-G

I'm not wanting to live in the past through, i want to live in a nation that's free of Westminster rule. A nation that's governs her own citizens without any help or intervention from our English cousins. I want my children to grow up in a society that does not become embroiled in every and any war that seems to be doing the rounds. Your the one that brought up rape i'm just pointing out that they did indeed commit such offences against our wives and daughters.

originally posted by: Bun-G
a reply to: andy06shake


To the other poster, aye it could of been a gust of wind wearing a yes badge, with the amount of hotair and claptrap that's generated by some of their supporters.. On making up the rest.. Aye, whatever you say buddy. I must be a paid up thatcherite even though she's long dead

As someone who chooses t lives doon south what would you know about anything to do with Yes voters up here other than what you've heard third hand...I live here, I choose to live here, i see what goes on day in day out.

I dont see any violence because of the Independence campaign, one or two unsavoury incidents yes, like the 80 year old Yes campaigner who had his arm broken other than that nothing to write home about as far as Violence against The No Camp...Typical pro union garbage.... Never mind, you keep believing what you hear on TV and read in the Tory red tops..

I think its madness to leave the UK, your basically swapping Westminster for Brussels

a reply to: tdk84

Would we not need to be part of the European union for Brussels to have any say regarding our fair nation? This is something the Scottish people will decide after said referendum. If memory serves it takes around 6 years for any new nation to be accepted into the EU.

Sorry I thought most Scots thought they would magically be able to join the EU, Nato etc.

Yes, quite the conundrum isn't it.

So many things to consider.

- NHS (least of your worries)
- Defence (whole host of problems there, nato membership etc, not to mention the views of many current servicemen i.e. would they want to leave the british army, they joined with the understanding they will get the opportunities they sought when they joined up.)
- EU membership, 6 years of potentially no free trade agreements. EU being your biggest exporter after the rest of the UK.
- FDI - the UK and Scotland relying heavily on FDI, companies are already lining up to move.
- Currency
- Oil - finite
- Independence of archipelago Groups (big worry where oils concerned)

Hard decision for you Scots, but its your decision to be made. It just worries me that so many look at the patriotic view point, past deeds etc.

originally posted by: tdk84
I think its madness to leave the UK, your basically swapping Westminster for Brussels

Mate, I would Swap Westminster for a Bag of Brussel Sprouts.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Really? collectively the UK up until now has had enough political clout to tell the EU where to shove it. Everyday you hear in the news about the rest of the EU hating us because of the rules we cherry pick to listen too demanding we go all in or go all out etc. Its one of the great things about our EU membership, we'll take the free trade but stuff your xyz law.

The simple fact is a small independent Scotland who potentially gets into the EU will be eating Big Brass Balls of Brussel Sprouts.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
So, if I'm reading this right, Scottish health care is going to be 400 million pounds in the hole, and England still wants to keep them? Why?

Aye but if we are being subsidised by the rest of the UK and we create our own policy and we now have to pay £400 million to save the NHS why are westminster begging us to stay in the Union.
If we are such a financial drain on the United Kingdom why not let us loose to hang ourselves?

It makes absolutely no sense if we are a financial drain and dead weight cut us loose.

What will actually happen to the strength of the pound if Scotland does leave ?

a reply to: tdk84

the media has portrayed the yes campaign as a nationalist movement but its not , most every yes voter I have spoken to and all my friends on facebook and friends of friends all voting yes are doing it because they want a fairer society and have no nationalistic ideals with regards to the referendum.
We want democracy not a facade of one!

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: tdk84

the media has portrayed the yes campaign as a nationalist movement but its not , most every yes voter I have spoken to and all my friends on facebook and friends of friends all voting yes are doing it because they want a fairer society and have no nationalistic ideals with regards to the referendum.
We want democracy not a facade of one!

I know not one No Voter..I used to know 2, but they have changed their minds these past two weeks...wonder why.

a reply to: tdk84

NHS is one of the reasons we want out so it cannot be privatised Obama care fashion, which is most lightly to happen down south.

The servicemen have my greatest respect thought im sure if they wish to remain in the U.K army or other armed service England will allow them to do so. I would be more worried regarding potentially new SAS recruits considering rather a large percentage of them are Scottish. And as to the defence of our nation, we live on an island only people lightly to invade Scotland are the English.

As to EU membership nobody knows what will happen regarding the EU or potential trade agreements.

FDI companies are simply scaremongering due to pressure from Westminster, what's the bet if a YES vote transpires they eat there words?

Oil is indeed finite and will become obsolete as new technologies regarding energy production mature. Wind and wave sources thought of which Scotland has many are for all intents and purposes self sustaining.

End of the day our independence will not be an easy slog but nothing worth having seldom is.

a reply to: alldaylong

Yeah leave it to British government and crown to paint as bad a brush as they can anyone pushing for independence.

I don't buy it BBC

which is state sponsored media

originally posted by: Tapping123
a reply to: alldaylong

Yeah leave it to British government and crown to paint as bad a brush as they can anyone pushing for independence.

I don't buy it BBC

which is state sponsored media

State Sponsored Mafia more like.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: tdk84

the media has portrayed the yes campaign as a nationalist movement but its not , most every yes voter I have spoken to and all my friends on facebook and friends of friends all voting yes are doing it because they want a fairer society and have no nationalistic ideals with regards to the referendum.
We want democracy not a facade of one!

I take solace in this. My experience is of a mate of mine who joined the fire service. No one was recruiting in England so he joined in Scotland under the pretense that a transfer back to England would be easy. 6 years on hes still there. The point of this story, as an Englishman working in Scotland he has a unique prospective. He's always telling me how much stick he gets, and there opinions on the matter seem very patriot lead. Although this maybe due to "banter".

a reply to: tdk84

To be fair us Scots give everyone a hard time, even each other, nothing personal we just love the banter!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tdk84

NHS is one of the reasons we want out so it cannot be privatised Obama care fashion, which is most lightly to happen down south.

Thats great, I myself dont want a privatised NHS for the rest of the UK but its the nature of the beast sadly, not enough money to fund such things but thats another discussion.

In my opinions privatisation in a newly independent Scotland will be even more likely, sure politicians will say whatever to win a vote but the simple fact is the NHS is an easy area to privatise and release a cash burden that can be projected into other much needed areas for a transitioning new country.

The servicemen have my greatest respect thought im sure if they wish to remain in the U.K army or other armed service England will allow them to do so. I would be more worried regarding potentially new SAS recruits considering rather a large percentage of them are Scottish. And as to the defence of our nation, we live on an island only people lightly to invade Scotland are the English.

Yes, I imagine the same scenario, given the fact it already happens. The Scottish currently make up 10% of the British Army and 8% of the UK population so they do well in the forces. The Scots in the SAS is a myth though for a start they don't release such figures and there many pseudonym names. Either way I cant see it being a problem.

In regards to the defense of your country there far worse people knocking on your door then the English.

A friend of mine used to fly the Nimrods and used to tell me how a section of the UK is constantly tried and pressed by the Russians along a corridor. We know there their but cant afford to do anything about it. My point the UK forces are much in short supply and no doubt will have to handle more cut backs. An independent Scotland will also have to deal with these issues, if not greater. & lets not forget about those valuable resources in the north.

As to EU membership nobody knows what will happen regarding the EU or potential trade agreements.

Obviously this is true but we have many trade agreements, some centuries old. My point, as newly independent Scotland you will have a blank slate. You never know it could work in your favor but as EU politicians have stated these things will need to be negotiated and without the political clout of the rest of the UK it wont be on Scottish terms, but Brussels.

FDI companies are simply scaremongering due to pressure from Westminster, what's the bet if a YES vote transpires they eat there words?

I'd hardly call it scaremongering, its one of my greatest worries of leaving the EU. Your talking about the largest single market on the planet and our biggest trade partner of which we have free trade agreements. Along with the obvious tax advantages, business gateway infrastructure of the UK its one of the main reasons so many FDI companies setup headquarters here. We have loads. No Europe, no UK law and you remove the advantages.

Oil is indeed finite and will become obsolete as new technologies regarding energy production mature. Wind and wave sources thought of which Scotland has many are for all intents and purposes self sustaining.

Yes this is one big advantage you have, if played right you have short term oil wealth and are set for the future in regards to renewable/green resources. In fact you can thrive in the Green area. But you know, only so many things can be funded by dwindling black gold.

End of the day our independence will not be an easy slog but nothing worth having seldom is.

This is true, but there is no such thing as amicable divorce, especially when the partner holds the stronger cards. But as you say, good things come to those who wait. Its your choice though, but its going to drastically effect the whole of the UK and I wish you luck. I just hope everyone looks at the deeper picture.

According to the polls it should be a very close vote, but I tend to think many people who say "aye" to a pollster or to their friends down at the pub will vote "naw" in the voting booth.

I say the "naw" will take it by 20%.

originally posted by: andy06shake
As to the rape of our wives and daughters you have heard of the Highland clearances? Rape and pillaging certainly took place then.

As you know, the Highland Clearances were perpetrated by the Scottish ruling class, including Clan leaders i.e. the landowners, against their fellow Scots.

In the context of the time, they were brutal, but no more so than the treatment of the English, Welsh or Irish by the money hungry land owners of the time.

While history is important in setting context, it is also important to move on and accept that what happened hundreds of years ago is history.

Regards