Australia responds to US request for anti ISIS forces.

Prime Minister Abbot is holding a press conference now outlining that we are sending F18's aerial refueling and special forces to a staging area in the UAE,obviously the coalition is being built.This as Islamic youths threaten one of our soldiers in uniform,whilst not yet committed to combat operations I have a bad feel about this one this will be one conflict where surrendering is no option.

a reply to: khnum


Hmmm, wonder what the US government promised them?

Didn't Britain say they were not going to get involved with the coalition?
And just today a British aid worker was decapitated by ISIS--very coincidental

Wonder how long before they are aboard too?

a reply to: snarky412
No final word on Britain yet he is about now meeting with his security team and discussing what it does next,I get the impression they will be involved.

a reply to: khnum


Yeah, when we heard this morning a British aid was killed, we couldn't help but think 'no way'
Guess you could say I'm suspicions of the goings on over there and the US involvement

Especially after the family of James Foley, who was killed by ISIS, said our government threatened them if they tried to supply ransom money or went to the media to get their son released
For a year they claimed they knew where he was being held but the gov, did nothing

Also told them that no, they won't swap for prisoners even though they did just that for the AWOL soldier who's story is controversial, for 5 Gitmo prisoners

So he is sending our working planes to be destroyed so we can replace them with the ones that dont fly?
2nd

originally posted by: snarky412
a reply to: khnum


Hmmm, wonder what the US government promised them?

They don't have to promise us anything. Its been a policy of the Australian government to 'always' give the US our full support since WWII.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: snarky412
a reply to: khnum


Hmmm, wonder what the US government promised them?

They don't have to promise us anything. Its been a policy of the Australian government to 'always' give the US our full support since WWII.

Yes, we know that but there is usually a little persuasion when the situation calls for it
And right now, is one of those times it seems

John Kerry sure is making the rounds and no one wants on aboard

Obama should have gotten the coalition list together BEFORE he announced it in his speech the other night
As ususal, he's doing it azz backwards

a reply to: khnum

Napalm boys... Bring lots.... Thermite... Phosphorous. Burn those #ing gutter troth slop to dust.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

They don't have to promise us anything. Its been a policy of the Australian government to 'always' give the US our full support since WWII.

And vice versa I hope!
The U.S. and Austrailia have more in common than we have differences.
In history, Ideology and attitude among others.

Totally agree with and support the world wanting to eradicate this threat but at the same time I am in two minds about it and here is why:

1) I totally understand the background of Isis, where and how it developed, how it got it weapons, who is funding it and so on and so forth. The whole Benghazzi link to arming the Syrian Rebels, who morphed into Isis. The money trail from the House of Saud, Qatar, Turkey, Israel, Britain and USA not to mention the mercanry's they all provided too.

This Conspiratory view on the whole scenario unfolding in the mideast, makes me see ISIS for what it is....a Covert western funded tool to justify a major Western Incursion into the Greater Mid East.

i.e. Justification to out Assad - no doubt Western Forces will directly attack Assads power base while saying they were attacking ISIS in Syria.

I cannot beleive Iran staying out of this conflict....how they will get involved, no one knows yet, but I cannot think they would sit idly by and allow ASSAD to be bombed directly.

I do not think the saudi citizens will allow their Saudi rulers to directly get involved in attacking Syria and ISIS. I foresee the Saudi people rising up against their rulers....which will open up a whole Pandroa's box in itself.

Turkey - NATO member and clearly aiding Syrian opposition and wanna be ISIS members crossing the border into IRAQ - why hasnt the world come down hard on Turkey given everyone knows this? Makes for more proof about the whole ISIS fabrication scenario.

Somehow in all this, I foresee Iran directly attacking Saudi across the Persian Gulf...given the Sunni Shia differences....oil supplies directly affected for a long term period and major western economic chaos.....to the point where all out war to secure oil supplies against anyone will be required and announced.

2) On the other hand....thinking like the general sheep civilian....I would rather live under a western dictatorial system rather than an Extreme Islamic one....therefore better to beat that pest in the sand now while we can before we battle it in our local streets.


Pope is right and anyone with half a brain could see all this unfolding, one small war/battle at a time....WW3 is upon us, and its not nukes we wil have to worry about, but what they've managed to develop in the many decades since that havent had a justification to be used in anger yet,.....that justification is coming.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia
Completely agree up until point #2.

I dont think its a choice between western dictatorial fascism and Islamic religious fascism of ISIS. I think the choice is between western dictatorial fascism and psudo-socialist fascism of Russia and China. ISIS isnt the end game, the people pulling the strings in this are still fighting the cold war.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

Why would you live under Islamic dictatorship? ISIS is gaining ground in war torn areas with no centralized force to oppose them. They stand absolutely no chance against any stable nation with a well trained and equipped army.

If we were actually trying to oppose ISIS and restore stability in the region, we would be partnering up with Assad. Instead, we're going about this ass backwards and planning to arm and train terror factions that oppose the Assad regime as well as ISIS.

So basically, we're siding with the terrorists that aren't ISIS. How does this sounds like a good idea to ANYBODY? No wonder our allies in Europe and the Middle East don't want to get involved; this whole scenario is a complete s***show.

And what comes after we "accomplish" our mission in Syria? Do we stick around and tackle Assad because he's fighting against our new found terrorist pals? Do we drag ourselves into a war with Iran, and in turn with Russia? I mean, come the f*** on! The enemy of your enemy is not your friend if he views you as an enemy!

a reply to: DestroyDestroyDestroy



Yep, Three Way SH!t-Salad.....that never works out well.....just ask the Bosnians, Serbs and Croats.....

a reply to: khnum

Isn't it funny when all the little pieces put together paint a bigger picture...

F35s on the way, let's send some F18s over to a foreign conflict (that have suddenly become expendable).

Raise the terror threat to high to instill fear in regular sheep.

Little Johnny's Islamic rant to fan the flames just a bit and create animosity towards Muslims and Islam.

Jobless figures skyrocketing as the gubment sends all the jobs overseas (conscription maybe??).

The next likely step? Some kind of terrorist attack either on our soil or close by to shake people up again. Seems Bali has been largely forgotten, a new threat is needed to get us in the war spirit again.

Oh and when the US says jump, Abbott usually responds with how high and when can I come down sir...

I get the distinctly dreadful feeling of dark days ahead for us...

originally posted by: 74Templar
a reply to: khnum

........... Seems Bali has been largely forgotten ........................

I was watching Foreign Correspondent one night several years ago now and Gerorge Negus was interviewing the former south east asian head of the CIA. When the Bali bombings got brought up, the CIA bloke, without any promtping, said "for we know uncle sam could have done that" when asasked to explain he said, "think about it, support for the war on Iraq in Australia was very low. John Howards popularity was also very low so uncle Sam may have decided to do his little mate in Australia a favour.

Immediately after the bombings the support for the war on Iraq in Australia shot up and so did John Howards' popularity rating

What did we learn from the JFK movie? Ask:

who benefits
who has an interest in the event
who has the capability to pull it off

a reply to: learnatic

With Abbott's popularity going down the tubes daily, I guess it makes sense for the same thing to happen. I don't think it will save him regardless, but it'll take the edge off his policies for a bit.

I've often wondered why our version of 9/11 wasn't in our country, but close by. Most of the major 'terrorist' attacks have been on the countries own soil, but ours wasn't.

The only thing I've ever come up with is the high number of Muslims in Indonesia and how that reflects the blame back to them for killing our people in what is considered to be Australia's playground.

Regardless of the who and whys, it's obvious war is profitable for the top 1%, and keeping it going just increases the profits, no matter who is behind it all.

And that's why we're here today.

I think the more ISIS kills western hostages the stronger the coalition and the more western countries will get involved. I think ISIS has pulled the tail of the tiger too many times. If the military might of the west unite, it will be a devastating blow to ISIS, al-Qaeda and radical Islam as a whole. The U.S. and its allies will not only have ISIS in their targets. Once the military hardware is over there, and you have boots on the ground and a coalition of countries who have just reached their breaking point with Islamic terrorists, they will focus on cutting-off the heads of all the snakes. I think ISIS has bit off too much than they can chew.