why Se7en is not horror movie, whereas Saw (2004) is horror movie?

why Se7en is not horror movie, whereas Saw (2004) is horror movie?
i just don't understand...........

Se7en classifies more as a Psychological Thriller....at least it does in my understanding of Genre.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Se7en classifies more as a Psychological Thriller....at least it does in my understanding of Genre.

please explain why saw (2004) considered as horror movie?

originally posted by: Ujwaleshwar123456789

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
Se7en classifies more as a Psychological Thriller....at least it does in my understanding of Genre.

please explain why saw (2004) considered as horror movie?

Because it's horrifying
Actually it's bloody gross but horrifying in the fact of each victim was left with a choice of a way out or die
But their way out was physically harmful

Have you watched either one??
If so, did you like them?

a reply to: Ujwaleshwar123456789

Seven tends to show the aftermath of the torture whereas saw shows the actual torture.

Finding bodies-Thriller

creating bodies-Horror

:-)

a reply to: Ujwaleshwar123456789

Se7en was a serial killer thriller, told from the perspective of the detectives, and with a focus on suspense. It followed the procedural and existential elements of the subject matter at hand, rather than focusing on the visceral brutality of the crimes being committed. If you pay close attention to the content of each scene, the focus in Se7en is on suggestion, one does not see the murders in all their grisly detail. One sees the after effects, the crime scenes, or the immediate precursors to the murders, but one does not generally see someone vivisected before their eyes.

With Saw, that franchise had a totally different aim. It sought to bring images of people removing their own limbs to the screen, dying in horrific circumstances with none of the raw brutality of a violent death left to the imagination. It is not a thriller franchise, but a group of movies which, rather than keeping a person in suspense, and leaving them to imagine the horrors being inflicted upon the characters, had the aim of being some of the most brutally graphic movies bought to the mainstream movie world.

Also, Se7en and Saw differ massively in another crucial aspect. In the Saw movies, one never for a moment imagines that there is an equal battle of wits at play, between the characters who are under assault from the villain, and his victims. The whole set up of the psychological space in which the movies play out, is one in which the villain is near unassailable in his mastery of his victims, and no genuine hope can be said to be fostered in the viewer, that the villain will be defeated.

In Se7en however, the villain is merely a murderer being pursued by clearly capable, and highly motivated professional law enforcers, detectives, trained to deal with such matters, and bring their perpetrators to justice. The balance of forces at play is far more finely attuned, and the possibilities for the success of the protagonists in their quest to end the horrific behaviour of the villain are far more even, when compared alongside the possibility of the villain taking out the protagonists, or evading capture altogether.

Another way to look at it, is that Se7en is a film which works on ones mind as much as it does the eyes, but Saw is not a psychological thriller, because it does not act on ones mind to the same degree. Yes, it is disturbing, but it is the graphic nature of the deaths and torturous treatment of the protagonists in that movie, which are disturbing, not the parts of the tale left to the imagination, as was the case with Se7en.

I've never considered Saw to be horror. Its more gore genre than horror. Not many people watched it after the first one for the plot but to see new deadly traps. I've only seen 1, 2 and didn't enjoy them even though most of friends did.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Couldn't have said it better myself.

se7en is classed as a modern version of the Film Noir genre that was popular in the 50's.

I can't watch Saw. I have to cover my eyes. It'spast horror. It's gruesome.

I never considered Saw to be horror. It's like... The beginning to softcore torture porn or something.
Se7en wasn't scary either, not at all what I'd consider to be a horror movie. But it was more entertaining than Saw, in my opinion.

What does it matter?
Both are great films though I have Se7en to be a much higher quality.
Both have really good endings.
Hell when Jigsaw gets up at the end of Saw, first time I saw that it made me remember why I spend so much money reading Rue Morgue and Fangoria, it made me remember why I love certain types of films.

I actually don't consider it as a horror movie.
If you ask me a horror movie would involve paranormal or supernatural themes.
Anything like Se7en and Saw I would consider psychological thrillers.

I get what you are saying, I've had this conversation and made this point before on another forum.
I'm with you buddy. It's not horror.

a reply to: Ujwaleshwar123456789

You make me think of an android learning from real people by asking and answering questions on the internet.

Seems like 'horror' films have devolved into modern day gross out or jump scare contests. Gone are the days of truly terrifying movies. What is becoming of this society, where a 7 foot malnourished albino with no face wearing a suit and tie is scarier than Pennywise or Pinhead? Sounds like whoever came up with that one had daddy issues.

As for those two films, I could in the very least appreciate the deduction and mental conflict aspect of them. Maybe that's why I liked Death Note; not normally my cup of tea, but interesting enough to keep me watching.

Who ever said Se7en was a horror film? Yeah, there's blood and stuff, but definitely hot a horror film. It's a mystery/suspense/thriller!