223 TRILLION DOLLAR world dept ?????

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: minkmouse

originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: minkmouse

Not my problem. Haha

Unfortunately I think somehow you're wrong. If the American Dream had not just been about America but instead included the rest of the planet, we'd be a lot better off today!

Yes, the leaders of this world have no heart for humanity. They are self-righteous zealots.

Surely we as people must have something to do with this after all, we chose them as leaders no?

originally posted by: minkmouse

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: minkmouse

originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: minkmouse

Not my problem. Haha

Unfortunately I think somehow you're wrong. If the American Dream had not just been about America but instead included the rest of the planet, we'd be a lot better off today!

Yes, the leaders of this world have no heart for humanity. They are self-righteous zealots.

Surely we as people must have something to do with this after all, we chose them as leaders no?

Not really. All the presidents come from the same family line.

So basically it's like me saying you can vote for me or my cousin. If your not on the NWO payroll, you will never be nominated for either party.

It will take a highly charismatic independent candidate to take down this oligarchy.

Or maybe an act of God.

a reply to: sacgamer25

The Americans and the west have shown who they truly work for.
After starting a "war on terror" when faced with actual terrorists in ISIS they kick back and watch.

a reply to: stormcell

Totally missed the point on a totally sarcastic post.

Not that you aren't right because it will never happen.
But if EVERYONE were to withdraw all their money from accounts, stop paying all their bills and just go on endless credit binges it would force change from a system dependant on 'money' to something else.
It's just a dream, where peoples talents are the value of society not the big facade, the fast car or the titanium amex black card.
I have often said with 25 people of specific talents and an isolated island, we could live forever without care, worry or money. Some have already started doing it. Check out Toas I believe.

a reply to: sacgamer25

Back again with Presidents...This is a global problem!

It's a global problem in US dollars. If the US kisses the dollar goodbye, the problem for half the world goes away. The EU would be the only ones screwed, they would have to fall in line.

Russia And China don't need the dollar. The Arab countries have been moving away from it also. The USA has plenty of oil reserves and we can feed ourselves.

Your not understanding, they have all the money, but if they loose the white house they loose all their power.

It really is this simple.

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

I believe that is exactly what happened.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

It was the same way with Lincoln. He started printing greenbacks in an effort to get rid of the Fed.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

It was the same way with Lincoln. He started printing greenbacks in an effort to get rid of the Fed.

Is there another Fed I am unaware of? The federal reserve I am speaking to was created in 1913 almost 50 years after Lincoln's assassination, although there was a difficult time in the 1850's with banking and the US government. Some interesting changes were made to help in recovery of a panicked economy.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

It was the same way with Lincoln. He started printing greenbacks in an effort to get rid of the Fed.

Is there another Fed I am unaware of? The federal reserve I am speaking to was created in 1913 almost 50 years after Lincoln's assassination, although there was a difficult time in the 1850's with banking and the US government. Some interesting changes were made to help in recovery of a panicked economy.

You are correct, Andrew Jackson made sure to veto the central bank. But this did not stop the problem. Lincoln was attempting to establish a US currency. To eliminate private banking.

So yes he was assassinated because he was trying to remove power from private banking. And this is why I believe Kenedy was assassinated.

The family names of the bankers were the same for Lincoln and Kenedy. It's not hard to connect the dots.

If you need help connecting the dots...
www.seek2know.net...
www.xat.org...

This is what got Gadafi killed. His people had too high a standard of living because he owned his monetary system.

Now they have a private bank, stealing from the people. Again this is not rocket science. It's easy to connect the dots. Follow the money.

Not to belittle this debt, but how much of it is cyclical and redundant?

What I am trying to understand is if China buys up the US debt, is that on the balance sheet as a debt for the US and a debt for China, or is only one counted? Now compound this with all countries owing each other. The US owes the UK, the UK owes China, and China owes the US. Now if everyone owes a fictitious $50 Trillion to each other, whats the real debt? Would it be $150 Trillion or a NET 0 Balance, and thus no real debt?

This only reiterates how pointless this whole system is, if we can borrow to such heights then it was a useless system to begin with, but if you show that these debts dont really exist but on paper, that it all equals zero anyway, how do we move forward and past that?

originally posted by: phishfriar47
Not to belittle this debt, but how much of it is cyclical and redundant?

What I am trying to understand is if China buys up the US debt, is that on the balance sheet as a debt for the US and a debt for China, or is only one counted? Now compound this with all countries owing each other. The US owes the UK, the UK owes China, and China owes the US. Now if everyone owes a fictitious $50 Trillion to each other, whats the real debt? Would it be $150 Trillion or a NET 0 Balance, and thus no real debt?

This only reiterates how pointless this whole system is, if we can borrow to such heights then it was a useless system to begin with, but if you show that these debts dont really exist but on paper, that it all equals zero anyway, how do we move forward and past that?

The dollar has to be replaced by something without, illuminati symbolism, and all debt erased.

We will need to employ economist to help understand what this will do to the supply and demand model.

Eliminating all dept puts more money in the hands of citizens. You would initially see a spike in retail prices that would gradually decline as the new monetary system stabilized.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

It was the same way with Lincoln. He started printing greenbacks in an effort to get rid of the Fed.

Is there another Fed I am unaware of? The federal reserve I am speaking to was created in 1913 almost 50 years after Lincoln's assassination, although there was a difficult time in the 1850's with banking and the US government. Some interesting changes were made to help in recovery of a panicked economy.

Back in Lincoln's time it was just a central bank and not called the Fed Reserve but it still had all the powers that our current Fed Reserve does.

a reply to: sacgamer25

You are correct, Andrew Jackson made sure to veto the central bank. But this did not stop the problem. Lincoln was attempting to establish a US currency. To eliminate private banking. So yes he was assassinated because he was trying to remove power from private banking. And this is why I believe Kennedy was assassinated.

Every President that has tried to get rid of central banking in America was either assassinated or there was an attempt to assassinate them.
Andrew Jackson (Survived)
Abraham Lincoln
James Garfield
William McKinley
John Kennedy
This is why Presidents are not so keen on getting rid of the Fed if you try it you will wind up dead.

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

It was the same way with Lincoln. He started printing greenbacks in an effort to get rid of the Fed.

Is there another Fed I am unaware of? The federal reserve I am speaking to was created in 1913 almost 50 years after Lincoln's assassination, although there was a difficult time in the 1850's with banking and the US government. Some interesting changes were made to help in recovery of a panicked economy.

You are correct, Andrew Jackson made sure to veto the central bank. But this did not stop the problem. Lincoln was attempting to establish a US currency. To eliminate private banking.

So yes he was assassinated because he was trying to remove power from private banking. And this is why I believe Kenedy was assassinated.

The family names of the bankers were the same for Lincoln and Kenedy. It's not hard to connect the dots.

If you need help connecting the dots...
www.seek2know.net...
www.xat.org...

This is what got Gadafi killed. His people had too high a standard of living because he owned his monetary system.

Now they have a private bank, stealing from the people. Again this is not rocket science. It's easy to connect the dots. Follow the money.

The real Lincoln was usually the opposite of his legacy. Lincoln was nominated for the Republican candidacy because he was a national (central) bank idealist. Lincoln favored the high protective tariff (a tax on all consumers and more money to industrial lobbyists), a national bank (inflationary) , and a system of internal improvements (corporate welfare). All of Lincoln's positions lead to bigger, more centralized, and more powerful government; and also more concentration of economic power into fewer hands in the private sector.

Lincoln's first campaign speech

"Fellow citizens, I presume you all know who I am-I am humble Abraham Lincoln. I have been solicited by many friends to become a candidate for the legislature. My policies are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a National Bank, I am in favor of the Internal improvement system, and a high protective tariff. These are my sentiments and political principles. If elected I shall be thankful; and if not, it will be all the same."
www.nps.gov...

A national bank was arguably the lifeblood of the Whig Party, and the main reason for its coming into existence in the early 1830s. Few politicians of the era were more devoted to resurrecting the bank than Abraham Lincoln was. In The Rise and Fall of the American Whig Party, University of Virginia historian Michael Holt wrote of how, during the 1840, 1844, and 1848 national elections Lincoln “crisscrossed the state [of Illinois] ardently and eloquently defending specific Whig programs like a national bank.” Not only did he defend the programs, writes Holt, but “few people in the party were so committed to its economic agenda as Lincoln.” 1

Dilorenzo, Thomas (2009-01-16). Lincoln Unmasked: What You're Not Supposed to Know About Dishonest Abe (Kindle Locations 1633-1638). Crown Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

Lincoln was a Whig and spent his entire pre civil war career campaigning to reestablish the bank that Andrew Jackson killed.

Bill Still made a 3 1/2 hr documentary about the power of banking. The documentary is the history of banking world wide, mostly about central banks. It has a large section about Andrew Jackson's fight with the Second Bank of the United States. The Money Masters over all its quite good, some of the perspectives are deferentially socialist.

The Money Masters 1996


G. Edward Griffin wrote The Creature from Jeckyl Island (Free Text) which is about the Federal Reserve System and also has extensive back ground information on the history of banking.

Lecture about banking by G. Edward Griffin


The Illuminati is more of a descriptive term, almost sociology terminology. It is what most people perceive as "the one percent". The Illuminati is people with common interests who can see how to cooperate with each other in order to use the centralization of power in our political/economic/social system.

Decentralization of power is the only solution.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: sacgamer25

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: sacgamer25

I say we all charge to our highest limits on everything we can get credit for, then don't pay.
The only problem is everyone has to do it, if it is going to work.

Unfortunately it will never happen, though I'd be very happy if it did!

I say we elect a president who won't back down, and will eliminate private banking and all us dept. Its not nearly as complicated as it might sound.

There is a segment of the population that thinks this is what really got Kennedy killed, printing silver certificates in hopes to move away from the federal reserve. Just adding a little legit conspiracy theory to the thread.

It was the same way with Lincoln. He started printing greenbacks in an effort to get rid of the Fed.

Is there another Fed I am unaware of? The federal reserve I am speaking to was created in 1913 almost 50 years after Lincoln's assassination, although there was a difficult time in the 1850's with banking and the US government. Some interesting changes were made to help in recovery of a panicked economy.

Back in Lincoln's time it was just a central bank and not called the Fed Reserve but it still had all the powers that our current Fed Reserve does.

Thanks, I will continue my education and research this as well.

originally posted by: sacgamer25

My Opinion: The war in the middle east is being fought to establish private banks and to make sure they are the only ones profiting from oil.

I pray that IRAN never backs down from the one's who already took out Gadafi.

Good post.

I'm going to give you a hint.

Find all the countries that there were wars and constant propaganda against in the past 20 years, then see if those countries had independent banking systems from the world banking system.

a reply to: sacgamer25you mean debt right?

originally posted by: tinyDAWK
a reply to: sacgamer25you mean debt right?

I suppose so. Funny it took this long for someone to point that out. Oops